MotoGP Aragon Gara: Valentino Rossi, “Bella prima parte di gara, ma poi la gomma è calata”
Il campione della Yamaha ha tagliato il traguardo in quinta posizione al Motorland
Gp Aragon MotoGP Yamaha Gara – Uno straordinario Valentino Rossi ha chiuso il Gran Premio di Aragon (quattordicesima e quart’ultima tappa del Motomondiale 2017) in quinta posizione, questo a 24 giorni dalla frattura di tibia e perone della gamba destra, avvenuta mentre si allenava con la moto da enduro.
Il “Dottore” ha corso una gara caparbia e alla fine ad allontanarlo da podio è stato più il deterioramento del pneumatico posteriore che non la tenuta fisica, anche se alla fine ha un pò sofferto, soprattutto nei cambi di direzione. Ecco cosa ha raccontato Rossi ai microfoni di Sky Sport.
“Naturalmente sono soddisfatto per esserci stato e aver guidato bene ed essere partito in prima fila. Ho guidato al massimo fino a quasi la fine. Fino a 2 settimane fa avevo più possibilità di guardarla a casa con il mio gatto Rossano, anche se non mi sarei divertito così. E’ stata una bella gara, sono stato veloce. Bene all’inizio, poi alla fine abbiamo sofferto il calo della gomma posteriore, anche Vinales è arrivato con me, stiamo cercando di risolvere questo problema, ma Honda e Ducati sono più avanti – ha detto Valentino Rossi – Abbiamo fatto un grande lavoro a casa, perché da poco dopo l’infortunio abbiamo cercato di fare il massimo con i mie Dottori. Facevo un pò fatica nei cambi di direzione, la mia posizione in sella non era al massimo e avevo un po’ di dolore. Sono comunque riuscito a spingere e sono contento. Nel 2010 (quando si ruppe tibia e perone nelle prove del Mugello) avevo saltato 4 gare e ci avevo messo più tempo a riprendere gli automatismi.”
Rossi ha poi parlato delle prossime gare: “Voglio arrivare a Motegi non al 100% ma al meglio. Penso che l’anno scorso con la centralina unica abbiamo fatto un passo indietro, mentre Ducati e Honda lavorano molto meglio di noi, noi siamo ruvidi e molto meno precisi e negli ultimi giri facciamo fatica. La nostra moto continua a assere competitiva, perché con la gomma nuova va forte e ci sentiamo bene, ma in gara in uscita dalle curve spinniamo troppo e i controlli lavorano troppo, mentre Honda e Ducati, riescono a lavorare in modo diverso.”
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Ha fatto un’ottima gara,alla fine non si è lamentato troppo della gamba che,evidentemente gli ha permesso di correre in condizioni quasi normali.Bravo.
“Bella prima parte di gara, ma poi la gomma è calata”
caspita , non ci sono piu´le gomme di una volta ..
non ci sono piu’ le gomme di una volta, ma i co***ni ci sono sempre
e non solo , ataccato ai co***ni c´e´ pure il manico .. quello di uccio …
Com’era prevedibile non è andato oltre il 5 posto, che però è già un gran risultato, anche se è stata una gara strana.
Le gomme non duravano ed hanno imposto ai piloti un ritmo strano e più lento di una gara tirata dall’inizio alla fine. Inoltre il venerdì buttato via per la pista bagnata non ha permesso ai piloti di preparare al meglio la moto. Credo che tutto sommato a Rossi sia andata bene rientrare con queste condizioni non lo ha costretto a rivaleggiare con avversari che potevano dare i 100% come in un normale week-end.
Credo che tra 3 settimane, se non si fa male nel frattempo o durante i trittico, potrà fare molto bene. Si è ripreso molto bene.
Sulle dichiarazioni di Rossi e di Ducati e Honda che hanno un’eletrronica migliore ? che gestisce i controlli di trazione con gomme andate?
Ciò che mi chiedo io è se non è possibile che abbiano risolto il problema mettendo altri sensori, o gli stessi sensori collegati ad una seconda centralina, i dati vengono pre-analizzati e poi inviati alla centralina unica già “sgrossati” o cambiati nei valori.
Mi spiego meglio, se hai 10 canali sulla centalina unica e non ti bastano rispetto a prima e un software che agisce su quei 10 canali, cosa succede se metti una pre-centralina che può agire su 200 canali, sgorssare i valori a 10, e dare dei valori che poi la centrlaina unica analizza dando le correzioni, ma in realtà il lavoro lo stai facendo con una centralina doppiamente soffisitcata. Da un lato fa il lavoro della vecchia centralina, traduce i dati e poi la centralina unica controlla il motore ma sui dati più raffinati decifrati dalla centralina più avanzata.
Non credo sia illegale mettere più sensori o semplicemente più centraline. Però permetterebbe di avere un software dedicato su quella centralina come lo era quello più evoluto di qualche anno fa, e alla centralina unica vengono fatte fare solo le correzioni sull’elettronica di controllo, non l’interpretazione dei dati.
centralina truccata …..Honda ci ha messo mesi per capire come funzionasse la centralina unica , abituata alla propria (che era superiore a questa).
POi Marelli fornisce la centralina , poi come minchia te la programmi sono cavoli tuoi ……
Honda e Ducati lo sanno fare bene ???’ te la prendi con Galbusera ….lo hai voluto tu perchè quello australiano era poco avvezzo ai PC e invece il mago G è un mago…..
In Ducati per non sbagliare si sono ripresi Gabarrini …una certa differenza ci sta poi se uno la vuol vedere la vede altrimenti no…..
alla fine, anche se più rilassato visto che a scuse per il fatto che la decima anche questo anno si vince l’anno prossimo ne ha in quantità su cui campare, la gara di oggi gli ha causato bruciori di culo che neanche l’uccio pieno di viagra.
Tira il cuko arrivare dietro Lorenzo e vedere Marquez sulla strada dell’ennesimo titolo.
Si Galbusera gli setta la centralina.
No da quello che ho letto la programmazione non diversa per ogni team.
Il regolamento prevede una centralina unica e un software unico. Tra l’altro inizialmente solo Honda Yamaha e Ducati decidevano all’unanimità di portare correzioni o nuovi aggiornamenti software, ora per farlo credo serva l’unanimità di tutti, ovvero anche quella di Aprilia, Suzuki e KTM.
ma sei serio?secondo me bevi….
dorna per regolamento obbliga le case costruttrici ad usare una centralina unica che puo’ controllare “solo” determinati parametri in un determinato range,e tu cosa ti inventi ?!allora mettiamo una centralina in piu’ che controlla quello che dorna con la centralina unica ci ha vietato di controllare!!!!!!!ma sono tutti scemi allora,con un idea cosi’ geniale si bypassa il regolamento?!!!!
Il regolamento sembra parlar chiaro, non si può mettere altre centraline o modificare il segnale già dai sensori o alterarne i valori.
Se questo venisse rispettato, l’unico modo è utilizzare il software o cose inserite nel software per far fare altre cose alla moto.
Da qualche parte ci dev’essere un trucco, che sia una centralina aggiuntiva, sensori che fanno più di quanto il regolamento permette, centralina unica craccata per fargli fare più di quanto dovrebbe, o software in cui sono inserite cose “nascoste” o celate per usarlo in altri modi, oppure software craccato e con maggiori funzioni.
2.4.3.5
Electronics
1.
GPS
In the MotoGP class, satellite Global Positioning Systems (GPS and similar)
are not permitted, except those GPS units supplied by the Organisers and
used for their media and promotional purposes. No GPS or similar system
may be connected (wired or wireless) to any part of the machine, other
than as directed by the Championship Organiser (hereinafter “Organiser”).
Specifically it is prohibited to control any aspect of engine or motorcycle
performance using the GPS signal. The Organisers may supply the GPS
data to each team only after practice (or race) data download.
2.
Tyre Sensors
Tyre temperature/pressure sensors are permitted in all classes.
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3.
ECU
a. Hardware
i)
The
exclusive
use
of
the
official
MotoGP
Electronic
Control
Unit
(ECU),
as
supplied
by
the
Organiser,
with
no
modifications
or
additions,
is
mandatory for all machines.
Only
this
specific
type
of
official
MotoGP
ECU
may
be
used,
and
any
ECU used on a MotoGP machine at a GP event must be registered
with the Technical Director.
ii)
The connection of any devices to/from this ECU must follow the
diagram “MotoGP ECU Connections”. Refer to Diagram 8. in the
Appendix to these regulations.
iii)
The use of any additional device or module to modify the signals sent
from the ECU to the actuators is forbidden. All engine management
systems including injectors, bypass systems, variable intake systems,
ignition, valves (including timing system and exhaust) must be
operated
exclusively
by
the
original
and
unmodified
ECU
signal.
The use of “power modules”* is allowed, where the logic signal
comes
unmodified
from
the
ECU,
and
the
electric
power
may
come
from
another
source.
*A
power
module
is
defined
as
a
module
that
has only:
•
an electric power input
•
an input from a MotoGP ECU
•
a power output to an actuator
b. Software
i)
The
use
of
the
Official
MotoGP
ECU
software
for
engine
and
chassis
control is mandatory for all machines, and no other engine and
chassis control software strategies may be used on the machine at
race events.
Only
currently-approved
versions
of
the
Official
MotoGP
software
are permitted to be used on MotoGP machines at race events.
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ii)
Until
the
end
of
the
2016
season,
if
a
change
to
the
official
software
is requested unanimously by the 2014 contracted Factory Option
manufacturers (Ducati, Honda, Yamaha), then the Organisers must
adopt
this
modification,
with
the
costs
of
such
modification
being
the responsibility of these manufacturers.
iii)
Until
the
end
of
the
2016
season,
any
changes
to
the
official
software strategies requested by the Organisers must be approved
unanimously by the 2014 contracted Factory Option manufacturers
(Ducati, Honda, Yamaha) before they may be implemented. Approval
is
not
required
for
normal
maintenance
and
bug-fixing
which
does
not change the software strategies.
c. Sensors
All sensors and acquisition devices on MotoGP machines must be
homologated as follows:
•
For each season the motorcycle manufacturer must submit a
homologation
request
to
the
Technical
Director
on
the
official
form,
detailing
the
sensor
description
/
function,
identification,
supplier (which may include the motorcycle manufacturer), price,
and availability / lead-time. The deadline to submit homologation
requests
is
7
days
after
the
conclusion
of
the
third
official
pre-season
test (ie. 26 February 2016).
•
The motorcycle manufacturer may change the connector and/or
connection wire from the original connector and wire as supplied
by
the
sensor
manufacturer,
in
which
case
it
is
this
modified
sensor
which is referred to in the homologation list.
•
The motorcycle manufacturer may request to add sensors to the
list during the season by submitting an updated homologation form
to the Technical Director. Sensors already homologated may not be
removed from the list during the season.
•
Homologation will be valid for one season, and changes to a sensor
specification
during
the
season
will
only
be
permitted
in
exceptional
circumstances (eg. to rectify a safety issue) and upon unanimous
request by the MSMA to the Technical Director.
•
The list of homologated sensors will be published by the FIM.
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World Championship Grand Prix Regulations
70
update 1 January 2016
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•
The relevant manufacturer must undertake to supply such
homologated sensors to all teams under the same price and lead-
time conditions, if requested.
•
The following exceptions to homologation will apply:
I.
Sensors included in the list of Free Devices (see below).
II.
Non-homologated sensors are permitted for testing and for free
practice sessions at events. Only homologated sensors may be
used for Qualifying and Race.
III.
Each manufacturer may nominate one Additional Sensor which
may or may not be available to all MotoGP teams. This nominated
sensor is permitted during all sessions including Qualifying and
Race, but it may only be used for datalogging. It cannot be used
as an input to any sensor or device other than the datalogger,
and must not have any effect on the ECU control strategies. The
connection
to
the
wiring
harness
must
be
identifiable
by
the
Technical Director by means of the wiring connection from the
sensor being yellow in colour (minimum 50 mm length of yellow
colour). If the sensor is connected directly to a CAN converter
the connection wiring between the sensor and the CAN must be
entirely yellow in colour. The deadline to submit the details of
this additional sensor to the Technical Director is the same as
for homologated sensors, using the same homologation form.
d. Free Devices
i)
Apart from homologated sensors, there is a list of Free Devices
permitted:
•
All actuators, such as fuel injectors, ignition coils, electric
motors, actuation coils, fuel pumps, coolant pumps, engine
lubricant pumps.
•
Alternator and related regulator/powerbox.
•
Dashboard and message display devices.
•
Inertial Platforms (up to 2 IPs are permitted, with the CAN
protocol homologated by the Organiser).
•
Wiring Harness.
• Any
device
specifically
allowed
by
the
Organiser.
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World Championship Grand Prix Regulations
71
update 1 January 2016
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MotoGP
ii)
If a proprietary CAN device is allowed by the organiser (eg. calibration
tool, external datalogger), all CAN protocols will be homologated by
the
Organiser.
Any
costs
incurred
by
the
manufacturer
or
official
ECU supplier in enabling such communication and implementation,
and any performance risks associated with such devices, will be
borne by the manufacturer.
iii)
Free Devices are free from homologation, but are subject to disclosure
and checking by another manufacturer as follows:
•
A manufacturer (“checker”) may request to check a free device
from
a
specific
machine
of
another
manufacturer
(“owner”).
The device will be removed by the Technical Director after the
event and given to the checker.
•
The checker has 7 days to check the device, and a representative
from the owner is entitled to be present during such checking
if requested by the owner.
•
The details of the checking process and the results of the
checking will be reported to the MSMA MotoGP members, and if
necessary to the Technical Director.
•
If necessary, a checker may be required to refund the owner for
any component damage or loss.
•
No manufacturer will be required to undergo more than 5 device
checks per season, whether the same component or different
components are involved (the wiring harness is considered to
be a single component).
e. Datalogging
Checking of data acquisition channels may be requested by the Organiser,
according
to
the
conditions
specified
in
a
separate
agreement
between
the Manufacturers and the Organisers. Operating parameters of the ECU
will be requested on a regular basis in order to check and ensure correct
functioning of the equipment.
To achieve this, an approved ECU data download connector is compulsory
(refer to Table 8 in the Appendix). If the data download cable is a separate
item
and
not
permanently
fixed
to
the
machine,
3
examples
of
this
cable
per manufacturer must be delivered to the Technical Director prior to
the
end
of
Technical
Control
of
the
first
race
of
the
season.
FIM
World Championship Grand Prix Regulations
72
update 1 January 2016
MotoGP
4.
Wild Cards
Wild Card entries using machines from an MSMA manufacturer
currently entered in the MotoGP class are subject to all technical
regulations including ECU hardware and software, sensor homologation
(Art.
2.4.3.5.3.c) and free device checking (Art. 2.4.3.5.d.iii).
Wild Card entries using machines from a manufacturer not currently
entered in the MotoGP class are not subject to the regulations
covering ECU hardware and software, dataloggers, sensors and free
devices.
2.4.3.5 Electronics
1.GPS
In the MotoGP class, satellite Global Positioning Systems (GPS and similar) are not permitted, except those GPS units supplied by the Organisers and used for their media and promotional purposes. No GPS or similar system
may be connected (wired or wireless) to any part of the machine, other than as directed by the Championship Organiser (hereinafter “Organiser”).
Specifically it is prohibited to control any aspect of engine or motorcycle
performance using the GPS signal. The Organisers may supply the GPS
data to each team only after practice (or race) data download.
2. Tyre Sensors
Tyre temperature/pressure sensors are permitted in all classes.
FIM World Championship Grand Prix Regulations
68
update 1 January 2016
MotoGP
3.ECU
a. Hardware
i) The exclusive use of the official MotoGP Electronic Control Unit (ECU), as supplied by the Organiser, with no modifications or additions, is mandatory for all machines.
Only this specific type of official MotoGP ECU may be used, and any ECU used on a MotoGP machine at a GP event must be registered
with the Technical Director.
ii) The connection of any devices to/from this ECU must follow the diagram “MotoGP ECU connections”. Refer to Diagram 8. in the Appendix to these regulations.
iii) The use of any additional device or module to modify the signals sent from the ECU to the actuators is forbidden. All engine management
systems including injectors, bypass systems, variable intake systems, ignition, valves (including timing system and exhaust) must be operated exclusively by the original and unmodified ECU signal.
The use of “power modules”* is allowed, where the logic signal comes unmodified from the ECU, and the electric power may come from another source.
*A power module is defined as a module that has only:
• an electric power input
• an input from a MotoGP ECU
• a power output to an actuator
b. Software
i) The use of the Official MotoGP ECU software for engine and chassis control is mandatory or all machines, and no other engine and chassis control software strategies may be used on the machine at race events.
Only currently-approved versions of the Official MotoGP software are permitted to be used on MotoGP machines at race events.
FIM World Championship Grand Prix Regulations
69 update 1 January 2016 MotoGP
MotoGP
ii) Until the end of the 2016 season, if a change to the official software is requested unanimously by the 2014 contracted Factory Option manufacturers (Ducati, Honda, Yamaha), then the Organisers must adopt this modification, with the costs of such modification being the responsibility of these manufacturers.
iii) Until the end of the 2016 season, any changes to the official software strategies requested by the Organisers must be approved
unanimously by the 2014 contracted Factory Option manufacturers (Ducati, Honda, Yamaha) before they may be implemented. Approval is not required for normal maintenance and bug-fixing which does not change the software strategies.
c. Sensors
All sensors and acquisition devices on MotoGP machines must be homologated as follows:
• For each season the motorcycle manufacturer must submit a homologation request to the Technical Director on the official form, detailing the sensor description / function, identification, supplier (which may include the motorcycle manufacturer), price, and availability/lead-time. The deadline to submit homologation requests is 7 days after the conclusion of the third official pre-season
test (ie. 26 February 2016).
• The motorcycle manufacturer may change the connector and/or connection wire from the original connector and wire as supplied by the sensor manufacturer, in which case it is this modified sensor which is referred to in the homologation list.
• The motorcycle manufacturer may request to add sensors to the list during the season by submitting an updated homologation form
to the Technical Director. Sensors already homologated may not be removed from the list during the season.
• Homologation will be valid for one season, and changes to a sensor specification during the season will only be permitted in exceptional circumstances (eg. to rectify a safety issue) and upon unanimous request by the MSMA to the Technical Director.
• The list of homologated sensors will be published by the FIM.
FIM World Championship Grand Prix Regulations
70 update 1 January 2016 MotoGP
• The relevant manufacturer must undertake to supply such homologated sensors to all teams under the same price and lead-time conditions, if requested.
• The following exceptions to homologation will apply:
I. Sensors included in the list of Free Devices (see below).
II. Non-homologated sensors are permitted for testing and for free practice sessions at events. Only homologated sensors may be used for Qualifying and Race.
III. Each manufacturer may nominate one Additional Sensor which may or may not be available to all MotoGP teams. This nominated
sensor is permitted during all sessions including Qualifying and Race, but it may only be used for datalogging. It cannot be used
as an input to any sensor or device other than the datalogger, and must not have any effect on the ECU control strategies. The connection to the wiring harness must be identifiable by the
Technical Director by means of the wiring connection from the sensor being yellow in colour (minimum 50 mm length of yellow colour). If the sensor is connected directly to a CAN converter the connection wiring between the sensor and the CAN must be entirely yellow in colour. The deadline to submit the details of
this additional sensor to the Technical Director is the same as for homologated sensors, using the same homologation form.
d. Free Devices
i) Apart from homologated sensors, there is a list of Free Devices permitted:
• All actuators, such as fuel injectors, ignition coils, electric motors, actuation coils, fuel pumps, coolant pumps, engine lubricant pumps.
• Alternator and related regulator/powerbox.
• Dashboard and message display devices.
• Inertial Platforms (up to 2 IPs are permitted, with the CAN protocol homologated by the Organiser).
• Wiring Harness.
• Any device specifically allowed by the Organiser. FIM World Championship Grand Prix Regulations 71 update 1 January 2016 MotoGP
MotoGP
ii) If a proprietary CAN device is allowed by the organiser (eg. calibration tool, external datalogger), all CAN protocols will be homologated by the Organiser. Any costs incurred by the manufacturer or official ECU supplier in enabling such communication and implementation, and any performance risks associated with such devices, will be
borne by the manufacturer.
iii) Free Devices are free from homologation, but are subject to disclosure and checking by another manufacturer as follows:
• A manufacturer (“checker”) may request to check a free device from a specific machine
of another manufacturer (“owner”). The device will be removed by the Technical Director after the event and given to the checker.
• The checker has 7 days to check the device, and a representative from the owner is entitled to be present during such checking if requested by the owner.
• The details if the checking process and the results of the checking will be reported to the MSMA MotoGP members, and if necessary to the Technical Director.
• If necessary, a checker may be required to refund the owner for any component damage or loss.
• No manufacturer will be required to undergo more than 5 device checks per season, whether the same component or different components are involved (the wiring harness is considered to be a single component).
e. Datalogging
Checking of data acquisition channels may be requested by the Organiser, according to the conditions specified in a separate agreement between the Manufacturers and the Organisers. Operating parameters of the ECU will be requested on a regular basis in order to check and ensure correct functioning of the equipment.
To achieve this, an approved ECU data download connector is compulsory (refer to Table 8 in the Appendix).If the data download cable is a separate item and not permanently fixed to the
machine, 3 examples of this cable per manufacturer must be delivered to the Technical Director prior to the end of Technical Control
of the first race of the season. FIM World Championship Grand Prix Regulations 72 update 1 January 2016
MotoGP
4. Wild Cards
Wild Card entries using machines from an MSMA manufacturer currently entered in the MotoGP class are subject to all technical
regulations including ECU hardware and software, sensor homologation (Art. 2.4.3.5.3.c) and free device checking (Art. 2.4.3.5.d.iii).
Wild Card entries using machines from a manufacturer not currently entered in the MotoGP class are not subject to the regulations covering ECU hardware and software, dataloggers, sensors and free devices.
Hei professore,hai sbagliato il copiaincolla…e che due balle i tuoi sermoni!!!
Non ho sbagliato alcun copia e incolla, è il regolamento ufficiale da MotoGP.com che fa cagare nella formattazione… l’ho dovuto risistemare…
Certo che mettere pollice verso il basso al regolaemento tecnico ufficiale… ahah c’è gente che ha dei pregiudizi… o a cui rode a prescindere ahah
è normale il pollice verso, lo hai postato in lingua Inglese….. hai presente Totò e Peppino!!!
ahahahahahahahahahah
Sfortunatamente ho trovato la versione in inglese e penso che non ve ne sia una in italiano e non ho la minima voglia di tradurla, visto già quanto c’è voluto solo per la formattazione, ma per avere una traduzione approssimativa, basta copiare il tutto nel traduttore per esempio di google se non si capisce l’inglese.
Non ti viene il dubbio che i pollici versi te li mettano per la presunzione o per la saccenza che emerge da ogni tuo post?
E anche un po’ perché il tuo commento più stringato è lungo come la Divina Commedia?
Sono d’accordo V.D.S. ma in un post in cui trovi solo il regolamento tecnico in inglese e nessun commento da parte mia…
Va bene la saccenza, la presunzione e bla bla bla.
Ma vuol dire proprio avere il paraocchi e andare avanti di pregiudizi senza nemmeno leggere. E’ analfabeti, analfabeti funzionali, o da ignoranti, vedila un po’ come ti pare… :)
E’ da analfabeti, analfabeti funzionali, o da ignoranti, vedila un po’ come ti pare… :)
Presunzione e saccenza…se ci aggiungi m3rda ottieni Vai di sciolta hahahahhahaahhahhahahahahaah
ahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Caro Ronnie,se è materia per analfabeta e ignoranti qui abbiamo alcuni esponenti di spicco della categoria che apprezzeranno sicuramente il tuo certosino lavoro.