MotoGP Indianapolis: An extraordinary Marquez "bends" Lorenzo, Rossi beats Pedrosa and is 3rd
Second consecutive victory for the reigning Honda champion, Rossi maintains the championship lead
MotoGP 2015 Red Bull Indianapolis Grand Prix – The MotoGP class in Indianapolis was a great race, scene of the tenth race of the 2015 season. The race was based on a double duel between Jorge Lorenzo and Marc Marquez and Dani Pedrosa and Valentino Rossi. The first two fought for the victory and the reigning champion prevailed, winning the second consecutive race, the third of the season, the twenty-second of his MotoGP career.
Valentino Rossi, on the other hand, got the better of a never-tame Dani Pedrosa and with this third position manages to maintain the leadership of the world championship, which now sees him in command with a nine-point advantage over Lorenzo. Marquez instead "snatched" third place in the world from Andrea Iannone, fifth today with the Ducati. Marquez is now 56 points behind Rossi and is not out of the world championship yet.
Race report
The highlight of the day has arrived, the riders of the MotoGP class are ready to compete in the Red Bull Indianapolis Grand Prix, the tenth round of a season which sees our Valentino Rossi at the top of the world championship standings. Yesterday in the fifteen-minute "Time Attack", the best performance and therefore the pole position was achieved by the reigning champion Marc Marquez, in his third consecutive pole on the Indy circuit. The Honda rider will have team-mate Dani Pedrosa and Jorge Lorenzo next to him on the front row.
Unprecedented second row with Cal Crutchlow's Honda who will start from fourth place ahead of an amazing Danilo Petrucci, the first Ducati rider on the grid. The Team Pramac rider from Terni is ahead of Bradley Smith's Yamaha.
In the third row we find two Italians and a Spaniard. They are Andrea Iannone (Ducati), Valentino Rossi (Yamaha) and Maverick Vinales (Suzuki). The rider from Vasto and the one from Pesaro have a different pace, certainly better than that of Rossi, who will have to make a great start so as not to let the leaders escape. Andrea Dovizioso, after difficult qualifying, will instead start from the fourth row, having achieved the tenth time. All ready, twenty-seven laps to go for 112.59 km. The traffic lights go out, the fastest at the start is Jorge Lorenzo, who started ahead of Marquez, Pedrosa, Iannone, Smith and Rossi. Petrucci loses three positions, eighth. Dovizioso's race was immediately uphill and after a contact at first he went out and rejoined last.
The first lap ends with Lorenzo closely followed by Marquez, in turn followed by Pedrosa, Iannone and Rossi. After passing Smith, the Pesaro rider is very close to Iannone, the first Ducati on the track. Small mistake by the rider from Vasto (who turns 26 today), which leaves the "door" wide open for Rossi, now fourth.
Lorenzo is still in the lead, with Marquez who at the moment seems to want to leave the Majorcan from Yamaha in front. Pedrosa's race was a bit elastic, in some phases he got closer and in others he moved away from the leading duo. Rossi tries to take advantage of this, as he is very close to Honda's #26.
The first laps don't see any major changes, although now Lorenzo is trying to pull ahead of a Marquez who now seems to be struggling to keep Lorenzo's pace compared to the start of the race. The two Yamahas seem to be going better in this phase of the race, with Lorenzo and Rossi really running very fast. If on the one hand Lorenzo extends on Marquez, on the other, Rossi recovers on Pedrosa.
Behind Iannone he is still in fifth position, ahead of Bradley Smith's Yamaha, Cal Crutchow's Honda, Pol Espargarò's Yamaha, Danilo Petrucci's Ducati and that of Andrea Dovizioso, who recovered up to tenth position and is ahead of his teammate by Yonny Hernandez brand.
We have now reached the halfway point of the race, Lorenzo still leads ahead of Marquez, with Rossi now very close to Pedrosa and not seeing the first two very far away. Iannone holds his ground and is still the best Ducati rider.
With ten laps to go, a few drops of rain fall, the second bikes prepare in the pits, while Rossi attacks and passes Pedrosa, taking himself onto the virtual podium. The stewards wave the flags signaling rain drops, but it is not yet time to return to the pits. The top four are going very well, including Pedrosa, who has caught up with Valentino Rossi.
Pedrosa attacks, who takes back third position, it will be a duel right under the checkered flag, in fact the Pesaro man takes back the virtual podium. Meanwhile, Lorenzo is "scary" at the front, with four laps to go they lap in 1'32.6! with Marquez also taking the new track record with 1'32.625.
Three laps to go, Marquez attacks, breaking away after the finishing straight of the reigning champion, who passes Lorenzo and takes the lead of the race for the first time. The final lap begins, Pedrosa passes Rossi, with Marquez who seems to be able to pull away from Lorenzo in front. Meanwhile, Rossi passes Pedrosa again, a beautiful duel between the Pesaro native and the Spaniard. Meanwhile, Marquez goes on to win the third race of the year, the second in a row, ahead of Lorenzo and Rossi, who beats Pedrosa! Beautiful race with Iannone finishing fifth ahead of Smith.
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I don't understand Lorenzo, but he learned nothing from the duels between Biaggi and Rossi...
You can't beat Marquez by staying in front and pulling for the entire race, when he easily stays in your slipstream.
Didn't he see what Rossi did in Assen, sooner or later you have to let him pass or slow down and take a breath, also because they had more than 3 seconds on Pedrosa and Rossi...
Lorenzo played for the victory: in the race because he never let Marquez pull who arrived fresher, with more tire and more fuel at the end; furthermore, seeing how much Rossi and Pedrosa improved in the Warm Up with a session that went very smoothly, Lorenzo risked the victory by crashing halfway through the session and losing 8 or 9 minutes of warm-up in which he could have gone around trying new solutions...
If he continues to make these mistakes he won't win the world championship, especially without mistakes from his opponents or without them being knocked down.
Marquez made a series of mistakes in the first part of the season, Lorenzo had a helmet problem and bronchitis, but here in Indianapolis, although he went very well, in my opinion he messed up a bit with this morning's Warm Up and with the race tactic, by insisting on pulling himself throughout the race he could only finish second.
Both Rossi and Pedrosa were surprising, even though Pedrosa was known to not have the pace of the leaders and could have finished third.
Pedrosa seems to me to have messed up a little more, from the move he made after it seemed he had given the final blow to Rossi, to the fact that he let himself slip back in where Rossi had already passed, leaving the door open again.
Rossi is certainly the best at recovering from negative situations, I didn't expect a race like this, even if it has happened several times in the race this year that he managed to close the gap, here I didn't think it was possible, it has already happened other times but opponents like Pedrosa were either injured, or recovering from surgery, or there was Marquez who was knocked out. Here he really made a great recovery in a few laps and insisted throughout the race, more than Pedrosa did.
Rossi is the first in the world championship in a fully deserved way, furthermore he is also the one who was most perfect, it seems to me that he is the one who always brought home the best he could do in the race, and for this reason he deserves first place, it is a season with very strong opponents, but who make mistakes, while he manages to do everything while maintaining perfect control.
They went about 12 seconds faster than last season, Rossi reduced the gap from last season by half a second, while Pedrosa, coming in behind Rossi, reduced the gap from Rossi compared to last year by 4 seconds.
It is difficult to assess whether it is the tires that have made the most difference here or the fact that the track has been resurfaced in some points, making the drivers' driving more fluid and precise.
However, seeing Jorge Lorenzo's pace from last season, Marquez could have expected that he would be there for the whole race and faster than he thought, given that Yamaha has improved a little anyway.
What isn't clear to me is how they managed to improve the lap by about 2 seconds with the standing start, did they bring the starting grid further forward???
I'll explain it to you, dearest.
Last year on the first lap Rossi and Dovizioso were in the lead, this year Jorge and the bimbominkia.
Yes, you're right looking at the positions at the end of the first lap, Lorenzo and Marquez had a really bad start. Rossi went a bit slower on the first lap than last year, like 7 tenths of a second, but this year he started 3 positions back.
It's Marquez and especially Lorenzo who started well, and certainly better than last year.
How strange there is so much difference from one year to the next and from both of them, who knows what they were up to last year. But in the end they still came first and second.
This means that the real gap between Rossi and Pedrosa is lower this year, also because Maruquez and Lorenzo did not bother each other, on the contrary Marquez made a clean overtaking which did not give rise to any reply, while Rossi and Pedrosa bother you.
Those 6 seconds at the finish line are the result of a perfect race by Marquez and a little less tactically by Lorenzo, but actually, very tight. It must be said that Pedrosa and Rossi are also making progress, this can give hope for the next races, perhaps sooner or later we will see all 4 of them battle together.
Congratulations go to Smith, much less considered (also by Yamaha and Tech III) than his teammate and yet much more effective, so much so that in the end he was on Iannone's tail. Petrucci wasn't bad either, capable of keeping Vinales behind, Esparagarò was disappointingly great, Elias unfortunately stopped at the performances he did when he returned to Moto2.
Marquez breaks Rossi's ass. The doctor of this shit on the podium had the face of someone who had just been fucked... he looked at Marquez with a certain nervousness. Canaries sukateeee
Who are you? yet another clone of the rosicone of the anti-red moment?
I look at the facts, and the facts say Rossi is always on the podium and at the top of the world championship.
Thanks Phenomena!
Frankly, I understood the winner of the GP shortly after, it was clear that Marc had more than the good Lorenzo. But not enough to leave it there.
So he adopted a "young Rossi" tactic.
He did well, the mistake was Jorge's (who lost the race and could have gained more points in the Championship).
However, with the lines that Jorge makes you have to have a clear track, if you have someone in front who breaks your lines you waste time (and we saw this when Marc passed in front). He drives like Max, but when you're very close to your rival, this driving doesn't pay off.
I remain of the opinion that Honda's difficulties (aside from the biggest ones) are also due to the non-presence of the good Pedrosa. I repeat, I am not writing that the credit for the improvement is entirely due to Pedrosa, but that (in my opinion) the lack of Pedrosa has "exalted" the defects of the bike.
Rossi saves what can be saved, but if he wants to fight to the end he must improve in practice. He doesn't have the luxury of finishing 3rd in this Championship.
Iannone was very good (did they put his cousin on the bike? XD), but Petrucci was even better (good a priori seeing his girlfriend).
I've been writing about him for years now, he's a guy with talent and he's showing it. Well done Ducati for giving Danilo a chance!
Well done also to Maverick (don't forget he's a rookie) who is starting to annoy Espargarò a lot (in my opinion a good driver, but not a phenomenon).
It's always the same ones who disappoint me. Hayden (who deserves better... Let's hope he's in SBK next year) and Redding above all.
Pedrosa's return has certainly been beneficial, they have more data and above all they must collaborate like never before, because they are a bit in Yamaha's situation last year and among other things here only Marquez now has any chance of recovery, especially if he does the last 10 races like the first 10 last year. Otherwise it takes other people's misfortunes to get back.
It seems to me, however, that in Indianapolis the balance remained approximately the same as last year.
Pedrosa is the one who has improved the most compared to last season, Rossi too, in my opinion, has improved a lot with the last step of the WarmUp.
I think Marquez was in better shape than last season, he just did more tactics, in fact by not fighting Jorge for the whole race, he acted smarter than last season in which he preserved the tires less.
What is incredible is the time set by both of them with 4 laps to go.
I don't know how they manage to run so fast with 20 liters for the whole race. Especially Lorenzo who has always been exposed to the wind, so you have to consume something extra.
I don't see Ducati badly in this regard. However, they still have 22 liters and it is undeniable that those 2 liters less in my opinion neutered them right from the start.
As well as Iannone did, I have serious doubts that they will have many chances to fight for the podium in dry conditions, maybe it happens to him 2 or 3 times at most which would already be an event, most likely it will happen even less often.
Honda and Yamaha seem to me to have improved further. In my opinion, Jorge here had the opportunity to win, he was in better shape than last year, but whether it was the crash in the warm up or the race tactics, they cost him an attainable victory.
In my opinion Jorge was effective even if he was behind. Marquez gained in the Scia like Pedrosa on Rossi, and was stronger in the first braking section. Honda is scary compared to Yamaha, they manage to go beyond Yamaha's limit when braking, and now it would seem that they have more balance, in the sense that only Marquez lays down when he wants to go beyond the limit, but in reality they have a small advantage that it allows you to push the Yamahas into strong braking corners, especially if they have an advantage in terms of top speed by exploiting the straight.
Lorenzo gained in several corners in the last sectors of the circuit, then from behind losing in the first sector, in my opinion he could then come back in the following sectors, so in my opinion he could have held off Marquez's forcing, if he had tried before.
He should have let it pass, maybe he would have lost anyway, but he certainly lost and in my opinion he came out of it morally badly, even if he didn't show it. Because he did his best thinking that he could serve, believing he could do it, but instead he got fooled without even being able to overtake again.
Here in my opinion but also on other occasions he sinned by presumption, he should have used his brain a little more and a little less pride as a rider who wants to show how strong he is. He just showed Marquez all his secrets without Marquez showing him his secrets until the last lap.
In my opinion, however, from what we have seen in the last races, Honda and Yamaha are more or less at the same level.
Motorcycles that have strong and weak points that are enhanced depending on the circuit.
Last year, especially in the first phase, Honda's superiority over Yamaha was clear (as was Marc's superiority over the rest of the group).
But now they are there.
As I have written several times, for me comparing two seasons makes no sense, so I won't comment.
They manage to lap so fast throughout the race for the simple reason that they are absolute phenomena and get the most out of their bikes. Plus they're all there fighting for tenths and they push each other in the race.
Furthermore, they have projects that have been developed for several years in their hands.
Ducati has never used 24 litres. Never.
It's a new bike and needs time to grow, or did you expect to see it fight for the title?
Even if he let Marc through, I'm convinced that the result wouldn't change, you could see that Marc had more.
If Jorge had much more he could have let him pass (but that wasn't the case), otherwise due to his riding you lose too much time behind his rival.
He didn't have it in him to make a tactic of this kind.
If you let someone like Marc who drives in a certain way pass in front of you and you drive nice and round, clean without any smudges... You're just wasting time. It breaks your lines and it's a moment to lose tons of tenths that you never get back.
Or you have much more (e.g. in the 4 races where he ran away and was seen again at the end) then you can let him pass, otherwise if you are there (tenth plus tenth minus) with that type of driving it is already lost.
Maybe it's because he never used 24 liters and since he lost them he hasn't been faster than Honda on the straight and doesn't even stay there in the first laps, let alone for the rest of the race...
The way they started, no title, but certainly a podium in some races, yes, but once the liters have been lost, the results have diminished, LOOK AT THE CASE... ;)
He may not have won, but he didn't even try, he made a tactical mistake. Marquez said it in the post-race interview, I didn't have it in me to run away for the whole race on my own, and after overtaking him I did a bit of tactics, and only on the last lap did I give everything.
bcs, in short, if Jorge was melina, he would save on tires, energy and fuel. Instead he focused on the tactic of wearing Marquez down. Let's say that he did what he had probably decided with his team, because there were no communications from the pits to slow down, as they had told Rossi, with Marquez in Assen.
Lorenzo may have learned one thing and taught Rossi one, Honda isn't worn out by a race like this, just as Marquez isn't worn out. They learned to manage tires and fuel, and forces, at least here they did. So doing an all-out race was of no use.
I hope that from here on Lorenzo understands that if he doesn't lose Marquez in the first 2 laps, he can't do it afterwards, staying in front and pulling all the time. The next time you use your brain and go toe-to-toe, he won't be as strong as Rossi, but he can give Marquez a hard time, and perhaps by saving tires and fuel it's not a given that he can also force himself in the last lap or 2 laps. Because even Lorenzo declared that he no longer had it and that he had lost performance on the right side after the super lap of both.
They have declared over and over again that they have never used all the 24 liters of petrol allowed by the regulation, but they have always been between the 20/22 threshold (in some GPs they even load 19).
Furthermore, the GP15's 24 liter tank didn't take them, they didn't fit.
Let's come to when you write something very wrong:
"Meanwhile, since he lost them he hasn't been faster than Honda on the straights"
First of all, the maximum speed recorded by the photocells is never the real one (for that you need the data that the teams have).
In addition to the engine power (and how this power is managed), the maximum speed is also the result of the grip available, of the exit from the curve which anticipates the straight.
So it's a fact that takes its time.
But anyway I went to look at the maximum speeds since you mentioned them (and frankly I rarely look at them).
Let's start from the first race (I watched qualifying 2 and the race):
Qatar Q2:
Hernandez's top speed with 346.4 km/h
Followed by Petrucci with 342.7.
Then come the Hondas of Pedrosa and Marc (340.1 and 339.9)
Then Ducati Gp15 (behind the Hondas) with 339 (Iannone) and 337.3 (Dovi).
Race (I put the average maximum speed in brackets):
There are 3 Hondas in the lead.
In order Marc Dani and Cal with 350.5 (348.7), 348.6 (347.3) and 346.5.
Then Ducati Gp15 with Dovi 346.2 (average of 345.6) followed by the old Gp14.
Iannone so to speak max 344.7 (average 344.3).
Behind the Hondas.
Let's come to Mugello (where there were no longer 24 litres):
Q2:
First position for the Ducatis:
Iannone, Pirro, Yonny and Dovi at 349.5, 349.1, 346.8, 346.3.
Then Cal's Honda at 345.8.
(Marc was left out of Q2, but in Q1 he recorded a max speed of 345.8).
Competition:
Iannone and Pirro with 350.6 (average 348.8) and 350 (average 344.3).
Followed by Pedrosa with 349.6 (average 347.4)
Dovi with 349.4 (average 347.8).
Indianapolis:
Q2:
Dovi in the lead with 345.8
Marc follows with 343.6.
For the record, Iannone is at 343.1 (behind Petrux, in the top speed rankings).
Competition:
Ducati in the lead with Dovi and Iannone respectively at 343.7 (average 342.7) and 343.4 (343.3).
Then Pedrosa at 343.1 (341.5).
Marc "stops" at 339.6 (338.8).
Maximum speed data that makes little sense for the reasons I wrote above.
But what you wrote isn't exactly true.
Staying on the Ducati podiums, don't consider that in the first part of the season Honda raced with only one rider. And that this rider was not with the motorcycle.
While Ducati had the fortune/misfortune of having a brand new motorcycle in its hands, much better than the old one and which worked very well.
Frankly, I didn't expect such an improvement from them and in my opinion they have achieved excellent results this season, considering the old bikes. (Just look at the behavior of the Gp15 to understand many things).
He could have done a tactic like that if he had a lot more. But on Sunday it wasn't like that, they were practically there.
You should know (since you claim to be a motorcyclist) that if you have a round, clean ride... In short, how Max and Jorge ride (at the 250), if you have someone in front of you who breaks your lines you are slower and you waste time.
Then, I also agree that he should have let him pass to see what he could do for a moment, but by doing so he had practically lost it (due to his driving style and the small performance gap between the two).
Ronnie, have you learned a new term? “forcing”…
hihih
If you quote me the grip levels, then you would have to say that one has softer compounds than the other and many other things.
Anyway, what's the point of looking at Q2 or Q1 or FP?? It doesn't mean that they have enough petrol, in fact in qualifying they burn everything there is to burn, even if they often declare with a smile that the mapping is the same ;)
These are the race data that we should look at and then understand whether they were in the slipstream or not.
For example, if you take Marquez in the race, he was good behind Lorenzo because of how much in the slipstream he closed the throttle or went out into the air, so he didn't make the speed he could have done, at the end of the race as you said even if you have saved fuel you have less grip than the first laps, so you will probably record lower speeds. You have to watch them in the race at the same time to evaluate who is more or less fast, and when they are against each other now I no longer see the Ducati keeping behind or overtaking the Hondas on the straight. Honda's problems seemed to me to be in braking and corner entry, that's where they worked, it doesn't seem to me that they improved enormously in exit and acceleration, they dump the power to the ground, it was in corners and braking that they lost, or didn't gain enough. Even now Honda is having problems on the road, not getting up and coming out strong.
I remember that at the beginning of the year the Ducatis recovered a lot on the straight and overtook, and were unassailable unless the riders made mistakes or the tire deteriorated.
In the race today they can no longer afford what, for example, Dovizioso was able to do in Qatar or on other circuits, they have lost liters and lost competitiveness. After removing the 24 liters they reached the finish line and parked 2 out of 2 bikes I think? For me, those who had too small a tank and never used them are stories, maybe they used 23 or 23.9 ;) if you prefer to believe they didn't use 24.
I remember Rossi not being able to gain a meter on Iannone on the straight and also on Dovizioso and instead in Indianapolis, he was more or less there, it didn't seem to me that Iannone gained 1 or 2 tenths on the straight which then made an attack by the Yamahas difficult .
At the beginning of the year the GP15s were battling with the first official Yamahas including now battling with the satellites... (which given last season is already a good result)
But in my opinion it is undeniable that by changing the regulation on litres, they have lost competitiveness.
If they didn't need them, why did they complain? Come on bcs it's all lies about we don't need it... in the meantime they've been whining...
As for Jorge and his round lines, you could see that they had different strengths over each other, and Marquez gained in the first sector (T1), and we are talking about 0.2 0.3 tenths over Jorge per lap, when Marc was in front and pull, in the second sector (T”) they ran about the same, so the gap remained more or less that therefore Jorge was distant and not disturbed, in T3 still about the same, and in T4 about the same, now you understand that Jorge could be behind or in front make the lines he wanted…
Nothing changed, in fact Marc detached him, so he could make the lines he wanted without being disturbed since he kept losing.
But since you like it so much ;) it's only on the FORCING that Lorenzo broke away, otherwise Marquez set a similar pace to Jorge and was able to do it and calculate it, because following Lorenzo for 24 or 25 laps... in short, Jorge for me is it was a chicken.
It's not a given that Marquez would have shown him his best lines earlier if he had let him pass, but then he would still have saved fuel, tires and strength for the finale, but instead he just earned a second place, without fighting, and it's not a given that was his goal from the beginning. Because Jorge didn't even try to duel knowing that he could cost him crashes and points on Rossi. The only speculation that can be made is this, in my opinion, given that the world championship is still long, 20 points is better than losing to his teammate, but it seems to me that this is not an argument made by Rossi up until now, who hasn't calculated a lot, if there was victory he took risks, Lorenzo prefers not to take many for now, we'll see at the end of the year if he did well or not.
You are the one who cited the maximum speed as an index of 24 litres.
Writing that they are not as fast as Honda since they don't have the 24 litres.
But the data says otherwise.
They only use the softer tire in qualifying and in the race they didn't use it (at least for this year I don't remember seeing them with the softer tire in the race).
If you notice carefully, I didn't really consider the Free Practice, I mentioned qualifying (where in theory you are at the top of everything) and the race.
You no longer see Ducati outperforming Honda simply because Honda have partially solved their biggest problems, while Ducati has improved but not that much.
They didn't use the 24 liters, they didn't fit in the tank.
The extra liters are not the real advantage (maybe you haven't understood it yet), the real advantage of the Ducati regulations are the engines it can use and the fact that they are not frozen.
Frankly, I don't remember a Ducati with fuel consumption problems, not even when Rossi was there (a very tall rider who often found problems of this type, especially in Yamaha).
Let's get to when you're referring to the first race.
I recovered an article from some time ago, it's useless to quote it, since you won't read it anyway (as you've written several times).
Ducati was left stranded due to a problem with the fuel pump (it was running poorly) and not due to a lack of fuel in the tank.
Yes, I know that when they don't suit you, you consider them stories.
See certain statements from riders, teams and various professionals on topics not related to this discussion.
Really, the ones who cried were Honda and the good Lorenzo regarding this regulation.
They immediately said they never needed the 24 liters. If they took away the unlocking of the engines and made them uniform with the others then they would complain. But they didn't bat an eye at the liters (and the 24 liter tank they had fitted couldn't accommodate them).
The examination you made regarding Jorge makes it even more clear that you have never ridden a motorbike.
If for you a rider like Lorenzo was a chicken in this race I would be curious to see what you are able to do in his place.
If you drive like Lorenzo and have very little margin or in any case you are there tenth plus tenth minus with whoever is behind you (who breaks the lines) you cannot let him pass.
From the moment you let it pass you have already lost.
A tactic like this could have been done when he dominated for 4 races, he had too much more than the others and to do your dear forcing (the term you fixed on, a bit like you fixated on the gearbox some time ago).
Then if for you someone who is behind Lorenzo and runs at certain times is "resting" or "saving strength" well then I raise my hands...
But I say, seeing is believing if by staying behind and lapping to the best of your ability (certainly not comparable to these riders) you rest or if you struggle a lot.
Bah…
Seeing is believing, it's easy to write pearls when you don't have the slightest idea of what it means to put your butt on a motorbike and push as hard as you can.
A good 40-50% of the time Ducati uses other tires than those of the MotoGP in the race, even in Indianapolis they didn't have the same tires but the medium compound while the others used the Hard...
In qualifying you use the minimum fuel to set the times, given that the tires last you from 1 to 2 maximum 3 laps...
In qualifying you use maximum power in the race, full factory MotoGPs can't do that without concessions on liters...
Moving on to the Lorenzo chapter, I told you my opinion at the end on why Lorenzo ran like that, because he didn't want to take risks.
We will only see at the end of the year whether he was a chicken or not and whether or not he paid for his tactic of not seeking confrontation and carelessness.
Jorge never raced even when he was tactically superior, slowing down.
The only time he did it was in one of the last races of 2013, I think, when the world championship was still being played, and I think it was Valencia who kept the group compact, trying to get Rossi back in who wasn't keeping up anyway, only to break Marquez's lines and annoy him.
But they were running a second below their lap time and pace, so you can talk to them about breaking the lines.
Sorry then Marquez broke his lines throughout the race, he couldn't keep Lorenzo, he was annoyed to have him in front, him with his round and clean riding that breaks away first and annoys you when braking...
What you say makes sense if you have a considerably slower driver in front of you in specific points of the track, not if you have differences of 60 thousandths and in other sectors you lose 2 or 3 tenths.
Lorenzo and Marquez were about the same, and with Marquez in front Lorenzo would have saved his strength because he would have had to ride on Marc, partially copying the lines.
It seems to me that you too make statements when it suits you. Many riders, one of the last Rossi right at Assen, said that at a certain point he took a slow breath, then let Marc pass because otherwise he would get tired and the tires would get tired.
They can't do laps like 4 laps from the end where they set the race record every lap, they can't do it physically, the tires can't do it, and they can't even do it with the fuel...
PS Lorenzo himself said it at the end of the race, I was tired on the right side, the tire had dropped more, I couldn't keep up that pace anymore...
Obviously he was in front until a few laps from the end, acting as Marquez's companion... He did what the cyclist does when he sprints towards the team leader...
I think you too have never been on a motorbike if you don't know that it is definitely more convenient to have someone in front of you who lines the lines for you than to be the one who has to calculate the braking points every time and close all the doors...
As usual, now you're off to try to spin what I wrote, turning a deaf ear (as usual).
Frankly, I don't remember all of Ducati's choices this year, but I don't remember this season the use of the softest tire at their disposal (I was referring to the qualifying one, given that you brought up the greatest grip).
And in this race they had the downside regarding the aid regulations.
They couldn't use the highest performance tire at the end of the race.
But (I'm going from memory) I don't remember such different choices this year compared to the factory teams (Honda and Yamaha), the choices were more or less the same.
Maybe you haven't yet understood (I'm writing again, so maybe it gets into your head) that the qualification data was written only for the purpose of pure, maximum performance.
But as you can see, I also wrote down the speeds during the run (because you're the one who brings them up).
And what you wrote (Ducati doesn't go as fast as Honda on the straight after losing liters) is not true.
In the first race with the 24 liters it was slower (I only checked that one because of the endless straight.) than Honda in terms of top speed (pulled out of you).
While in the last race, where there were 22 litres, he was faster than Honda.
But I reiterate that the maximum speed figure (taken up by you, like this, a bit from hearsay) has something to do with it until noon as there are many parameters that dictate it (and a motorcyclist like you should have known this before quoting it).
The real advantage is the fresh and free engines (12).
This is an important advantage.
We've known about the fact that Lorenzo doesn't want to take unnecessary risks since the year following his debut (in the first one he was ruined, even going so far as to hypothesize a farewell to racing), it's nothing new from yesterday.
Why did I write that he ran tactically?
I wrote that you COULD only do a race like you wanted when it was clearly superior, otherwise if you're there in terms of performance you've lost since it lets you slip away (unless you change the way you drive, but by doing it you can't do certain times if you drive and give your best with a Jorge guide).
In Valencia he had to put as many people between him and Marc to win (a title he won in my head with the epic feat done in Assen), but Rossi didn't have enough to do it.
Did you see how Marc drove when he was behind Lorenzo and how he drove afterwards, when he took the lead?
If you run on certain times you don't save yourself, a lot of beatings.
Then whether it's easier to do them following a rider who rides more or less like you (or faster, even better) is another matter. Completely different.
But you struggle to do certain times (both physically and mentally).
Same thing with the tyres, the ones fitted with the front one struggle just as much as the one at the back.
But even here, (forgive me for the term) I'm falling for it (it's a way of saying eh!).
The wear does not depend only and exclusively on whether you are in front or behind, but also on who has the seat on the motorbike, on the setting you have chosen (in its entirety) and on the nature of the motorbikes (if its strong point is mileage , see Yamaha which had quite a lot of damage to the shoulders, or if it's more Stop & Go, see Honda which had the central part of the tire more worn).
Catching your breath is one thing.
Pulling a race like Jorge and Marc did is another.
You don't rest.
But I repeat if this is how you think, seeing is believing. You take a motorbike, sit on it, find the first open track and hit the gas, maybe right behind someone faster than you. Trying to give everything you have.
Then we will see if you have rested or not.
Being comfortable is one thing (and I haven't written anything about this, and I invite you to find where I write what you tend to put on my keyboard), but it's a long way from here to writing about making "less effort".
It's difficult to run at certain times. Running at the maximum of your ability (or very close to it) for X number of laps is exhausting whether you are pulling or being the one being pulled.
Seeing is believing.
Look, whether you think he is or isn't a motorcyclist, I really don't care.
But as a motorcyclist, I have serious doubts that you are one because of what you write and what you have written in the past.
But frankly this shouldn't matter too much to you, it's just my opinion.
Ps: I advise against Mugello because when you find yourself reading the times of the MotoGP you will be demoralized by your shortcomings in speed (as happens to me). But you will also have a good dose of extra respect for those phenomena and I guarantee you that you will no longer dismiss them as chickens.
Where are the canaries? Extinct? Red nervous and you nervous too? ahahahahahaha
Just to know, can you tell me what it's like at – 56? It's going to be cold ahahahahahah
However, if I remember correctly, Ducati said that in Indy they would have fewer problems with the bike... well it seems to me that they always run around 20s from the first ahahahah
After 2 consecutive victories it's starting to get hot hahahaha