MotoGP: Andrea Dovizioso, “Pedrosa made a mistake, Iannone was foggy”
"Dovi" spoke about the incidents with Iannone and Pedrosa, his future and that of Lorenzo
MotoGP 2016 Ducati – Andrea Dovizioso is one of the most correct riders in the world championship like Dani Pedrosa, two "Gentlemen" of the paddock, like few there are around. Some might argue that their lack of "aggression" has not yet made them successful in the premier class, but they still remain two world champions (Pedrosa has three titles, one in 125 and two in 250, while Dovizioso has one in 125).
Last Sunday in Austin Dovizioso was innocently hit by Pedrosa, who, losing control of his Honda RC213V, had hit Dovi head-on. Both ended up on the ground, it was the Italian who remained in pain on the ground. Pedrosa immediately rushed to check on the Ducati rider's condition, then later went to the garage to apologize again to the man from Forlì and his entire team. A totally different scene from the one experienced a week earlier, when Dovizioso was "mowed down" by his team-mate Andrea Iannone, who, however, unlike the Spaniard, had not apologised. Here are the “DesmoDovi” thoughts regarding the two facts. To the question of his colleague Paolo Ianieri of the Gazzetta dello Sport "It was easier to digest the accident with Pedrosa than with Iannone" he responded thus.
“Undoubtedly. It's obvious what happened, we are talking about two different subjects who approach races with different mentalities. The damage was the same, but Andrea entered that last corner foggy, not knowing if he would come out of it. Pedrosa just made a mistake. I know my partner, I know how he runs, it's not the first time. He has few problems, maybe he can apologize, but he does it in a manner of speaking, differently from Dani”.".
He said about the possible arrival of Lorenzo in Ducati and whether he is the right rider: “I can't say that about anyone, because Ducati is particular. The base, the character is always the same, then the bike has improved a lot, now many people ride it fast. And it's a personal satisfaction: I arrived here when no one wanted it, now find someone who doesn't want it. For this reason, for me, not driving it in 2017 would be an unfinished project."
Finally about his future: “I'm very calm: I don't know what Ducati will decide, but I'll still be calm. The people at Ducati know what has happened in the last 4 years, Gigi has seen it in these 3, they have all the data to understand the characteristics of the riders, the development work, the approach, the professionalism. If they choose me, it is because they share my reasoning, my working method. Should they choose differently, I will still be at peace. I have suffered a lot in recent years, but now we are here with a Ducati that has never been so competitive, not even when it won with Stoner."
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He's 100% right, the two incidents are different, Iannone entered the midfield, Pedrosa made a mistake in braking, also deceived by Dovizioso's long shot who, if he had had the right trajectory, even with Pedrosa's fall, he wouldn't have been hit.
However, Dovizioso can rest assured because I would be risking the attributes that Lorenzo has certainly had his say on the choice and Ducati with a world championship Lorenzo will keep the best test rider.
What do you mean by more competitive than when Stoner was there? Stoner won a world championship there and won some races, while Dovizioso is far from doing so. Stoner has at least half a second less than him in the wrist, so if Stoner rode this Ducati, he could certainly seriously win the world championship. And even as a test rider in my opinion there is no comparison, Stoner is clearly better than Dovizioso. Even with the best bike, Ducati doesn't necessarily win the world championship with Dovizioso and Iannone.
I'll explain it to you, dumbass.
Dovizioso was referring to the fact that the current Ducati is superior in terms of bike-only performance to the one Stoner had at the time, when he won races and the world championship in 2007.
Today's Ducati races against other bikes with the same tires.
Ducati also won in 2006 and Stoner wasn't there...
The Bridgestones made Ducati a winning bike.
In 2006-2007-2008 it was a good bike, but it was the tires that made the difference to make it on par with the others, and clearly a winning rider all season long.
Now if Ducati plays on par with its opponents as a bike, what it lacks is a winning rider throughout the season.
Dovizioso can't win the world championship because he doesn't win enough races, for now he hasn't won any at all, even if by going to the podium, he could have been there if he wanted to, then he lacks the high points.
We saw it last year in a very tight world championship, the difference was made by the races won, Rossi won fewer, Lorenzo won more, this allowed Lorenzo to recover and win the world championship.
Dovizioso and Iannone are not superior to Rossi, nor to Lorenzo and Marquez, this now deprives Ducati of the possibility of aiming for the world championship in my opinion.
However, it must be recognized that the bike, understood as the package created by Ducati today, without the tyres, is more performing than the one that Stoner had in 2007-2008-2009-2010 and that Rossi had later in 2011-2012 and then Dovizioso subsequently.
Today Ducati seems to be playing on an equal footing with the other bikes, at least it was like that in the first races, we'll see how it goes forward.
It was Marquez who allowed him to win the world championship and he was given two victories, Malaysia and Valencia.
I apologize 1 victory Valencia.
Marquez or no Marquez, if Lorenzo finished second in Valencia he would still have won the world championship on equal points because he had won more than Rossi.
If Rossi wanted to win the world championship in 2015 he had to win more races, there is little to discuss about this.
Biscuit or no biscuit, to win the world championships you have to win a lot of races, at least 5 or 6, at least...
Only Hayden has won a world championship by winning 2 races in the last 10 years :)
With so many good riders, the difference, in addition to consistency and podium placings, is the victories.
Sorry Ronnie...but what are you talking about? The world championship must be won by whoever has the most points at the end of the 18 races. That's how it works.
In 2013 Marquez won the world championship with 6 races against Lorenzo who won 8 and was also injured. Would his reward have been deserved while Rossi's claim would not have been deserved? Then where is it written that one must win "at least 5-6 races"? Did you decide that?!
In a balanced and highly competitive championship like that of last year, where Lorenzo won 7, Marc 5, Rossi 4 and Pedrosa 2, it is normal that there was no dominator with 12-14 victories. And if Rossi hadn't been for Marc, he would have had 4 victories, but probably 17/18 podiums. And trust me, Rossi deserved the last world championship much more than Lorenzo, so much so that up to 3 races from the end and with a regular championship, he was at +18 (if Lorenzo lost points it was to his demerit, no one has mowed).
PS: Stop talking nonsense, it's time to stop ronnie ;)
Ronnie
Rossi arrived in Australia with +18 and if Marc had been correct he would have increased it, the world championship was already closed. Victories do not determine who wins the world championship, Marquez with one more victory than Rossi came behind him by a lot. Greetings.
Some conversations are like cheese on spaghetti with seafood... Come on
I want to remind you, even if it is the lower category, Biaggi won the world championship with 3 victories, he reached the end with a point or half a point, I don't remember exactly, but he finished in front, so what do the victories mean, it also counts how many more times do you reach the checkered flag than your opponents
Aia ai ai how are you taking it…
I'm not talking about who deserves it, nor that you can win by winning fewer races.
I AM TALKING ABOUT MATHEMATICS…
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DOMINATING THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP...
Sum up the last 15 years of MotoGP and tell me how many GPs the winner of the world championship took home and who finished second.
Tell me how many times those who won the fewest races won the world championship?
If Rossi wanted to win the world championship, and to win the world championship I say be sure to win it, he had to win more PUNTO races.
Marquez or not Marquez, last year the comparison was with Lorenzo and if he wanted to win the world championship, I'm not talking about deserving it or various bullshit, I'm saying WINNING IT he had to beat Lorenzo or other riders more often and bring home points that would have put him safe .
This is the point that Rossi must work on this year and the next few years if he still wants to win a world championship.
He must win more races, at least 6 looking at past seasons, 6 races and many podium finishes without crashes give you the almost mathematical certainty of winning, it is the threshold to overcome to aim for the world championship.
Win 5 or 4 or fewer races and your chance of taking home the world championship is drastically reduced and you have to hope for mistakes and injuries from other drivers.
Ronnie
It's not a question of taking it easy, the problem is that you don't get there, Rossi in Australia had the chance to beat Lorenzo and not only Rossi but also Iannone, this means that the 18 point gap that Rossi had would have increased, the last two races Rossi Lorenzo ran over them with ease. It's mathematical.
it seems that from p. island onwards people fell asleep and didn't see anything, I even give up on repeating the same things over and over again...
If Rossi wanted to win he had to win more races, he lost the world championship at the last race, he only needed 6 points more than Lorenzo.
Like it or not, Lorenzo finished in front in Sepang, and it is probable that he would have arrived there even without Marquez, in Valencia as it went, once again Lorenzo would have finished in front of Rossi, and in Phillip Island no matter how much Marquez may have done the rubber band it wasn't a given that Rossi could attack Lorenzo.
In short, with Marquez's dirty play or without Mrquez's dirty play Rossi had too narrow margins. If he had been faster and in step with Lorenzo in several GPs he would have won more easily, and he would have won the world championship.
Not recognizing that if Rossi wants the world championship he must go faster in the race and win more races demonstrates a certain blindness, like those who argue that Marquez didn't slow down Rossi on purpose in Sepang, or like those who argue that Marquez wasn't fast enough in Valencia to attack Lorenzo.
It's not a question of merit or not, it's that if you want to win the world championship, you can't afford to get to the last race and lose it by 5 points or with the same score. I repeat, how often in the last 15 years, but if we want, let's say 16 or 20, how many times has the person who has won fewer races than second won the world championship?
How many races won did it take at least to take home a world championship?
Ronnie
I want to give you some hypothetical calculations of how things could have gone if Marquez had done his races, in Australia Rossi was +18 on Lorenzo, in that circuit Rossi would certainly have finished ahead of Lorenzo but let's put the worst result for Rossi that is Rossi 3rd and Lorenzo 4th, Rossi rose to +21, Malaysia we saw that Honda was unbeatable so Marquez 1st, Pedrosa 2nd let's put Lorenzo 3rd and Rossi 4th (worst result for Rossi), Rossi drops again to +18 , we arrive in Valencia with Rossi at +18, explain to me how he could lose the world championship?????
I want to do another alternative calculation, Australia unchanged result so Rossi actually went as happened at +11, Malaysia 1st and 2nd the Hondas let's put Lorenzo 3rd and Rossi 4th in the worst case scenario, we get to +8, last race Valencia 1 ° Marquez 2nd Pedrosa, 3rd Lorenzo, 4th Rossi, World Championship to Rossi with +5. Correct me if I got something wrong.
Ronnie
I want to remind you that the world championship is not always won by the one who wins the most races, Marquez also gave you the example with 5 victories, 1 more than Rossi. When you take risks in a race to win it can go well for you but it can also go badly for you so when it goes well you win but when it goes badly you fall and don't get a single point losing the world championship. It depends on what a rider wants, Rossi at his age is interested in the world championship for which he is an accountant.
Dear anti, Pesaro style liver with a side of gherkins.
If you take the cases of Marquez in his first year of MotoGP with Lorenzo's injury, and then I'll add Hayden in 2006 with 2 victories, as examples to defend the thesis that you shouldn't win at least 5 or 6 races and win more of the second to take home the world championship, you only demonstrate that for a question of probability in the last 15 or 20 years, actually if you want to be sure of winning the world championship you have to win several races.
Furthermore, you confirm the fact that even Marquez had to win 5-6 races to win a strange world championship...
You have to understand one thing, Nando, whoever wins a race gets more points than everyone else, this means that in that race he finishes in front, takes points away from the others because no one finishes in front of him, and gives others positions that guarantee fewer points.
In short, Rossi with just one more victory in any GP won by Lorenzo would have brought home the almost mathematical certainty of victory, with 2 more victories he would certainly have won the world championship, regardless of whether it had been a GP in which Lorenzo won or arrived in other positions.
Ronnie
I give up, Marquez's example of 5 races won, one more than Rossi, referred to the 2015 world championship, with one more victory than Rossi he finished behind. I explained to you with two possible dynamics that 2015 percent Rossi would have won the 99 world championship, but you can think whatever you want.
Regardless of points of view, in my opinion without what Marquez clearly did at least in Sepang and Valencia, Lorenzo still had a 30-40% chance of winning the world championship.
Regardless of what Marquez did, and what Rossi did to put himself in that situation, Lorenzo had more than a 1% chance of winning the world championship with 3 GPs to go.
But they are points of view.
Now I'm just saying that if Rossi wants to win the world championship as well as he did last year, he has to win more races.
This year probably more than in other years, given that he has already crashed, as has Lorenzo.
It is conceivable that Marquez will also crash and other riders will crash, but it is equally true that they will crash again too, given the tyres.
So it becomes vitally important to win as many races as possible. Furthermore, for now Marquez seems to be able to put into practice what he says he has learned, that is, in addition to winning himself, he will now also be satisfied with a few podium finishes, so it becomes more difficult for everyone.
Furthermore, as I said before the season began, Honda is and remains competitive, at least with Marquez it is, and I think that as happened in the past, in some GPs it will also be competitive with Pedrosa, the values have not changed much, Honda seems even having gained for the moment despite the fact that it seems that they suffer more than the others from more primitive electronics, while Yamaha is perhaps the one that has gained the least, also given what Ducati manages to do.
I think Yamaha and Ducati are probably the 2 best bikes for now, but their riders aren't able to exploit the tires like Marquez is doing. Rossi is the one who is exploiting the tires in a certain sense less than Lorenzo and Marquez, for now it seems that those who took more risks in choosing tires and made stranger choices have been rewarded by this choice, we'll see if over time Rossi will also risk something or they will always play it safe.
so, just to make you reread what you write, and it is from the beginning that you dispute….
“Moreover, for now Marquez seems to be able to put into practice what he says he has learned, that is, in addition to winning, he will now also be satisfied with a few podium finishes, so it becomes more difficult for everyone”
cujo what's contrasting?
I never said that you have to aim for victory at all costs and lay down, because it's obvious that you can't win the world championship...
re-read what I wrote and you will find sentences like: it's not enough to achieve placings to be sure of winning a world championship.
Furthermore, I talked about Rossi and how he must win more if he wants to take home the world championship.
Rossi in 2016 was either less competitive and faster than Lorenzo in some key GPs, or he didn't take enough risks. It was his way of racing, but by doing so, he lost the world championship.
Lorenzo ultimately risked more to recover and was rewarded, also thanks to the fight that Marquez started with Rossi, but Lorenzo went faster and recovered points several times on Rossi.
So for Marquez if we look at last season but also the previous one, he must fall less, win the races he can win but not lay down when he can't do it.
Rossi, on the other hand, must win more, his consistency is good, he crashes little, but he must win more.
A different recipe applies to each driver.
Lorenzo crashed last year and had what he described as technical problems, a bit like Rossi had them in the last race, but Lorenzo was able to win more races and achieve better results to close the gap.
The way the world championship has started this year, both Rossi and Lorenzo will have to win more races and finish ahead of Marquez, the same goes for Dovizioso and Iannone if they want to aim for the world championship.
Marquez for his part must fall as little as possible or not at all.
Rossi in 2015, not 2016
no, I don't feel like it, the first one is enough for me and not even all of it...
Nando, forget it, he doesn't even know what he was referring to anymore...
whose
Yes, I've already said it, I give up, you can't make him understand that the world championships are also won with the head, for him you have to win many races at the risk of falling, I gave him two mathematical examples of how the world championship could go 2015 penalizing Rossi in the second example but remains convinced that it was not Marquez's fault that Rossi lost it but because he had to win more races, he doesn't understand that Lorenzo was obliged to win because he had to make up points but Rossi doesn't, he doesn't understand that if he needed it Rossi could have risked more in the last three races but Marquez didn't let him. Mha! That's fine anyway, see you next time.
Ronnie
Look, I want to agree with you, let's say that to win the world championship with confidence, a rider must win all 18 GPs. Ok?????????
I take the liberty too, Ducati 2007 10 victories, 2008 6 victories, 2009 4 victories, 2010 3 victories, 2011 0 victories, 2012 0 victories, 2013 0 victories, 2014,2015, 0 again 2016 victories but bike clearly improved, XNUMX according to Stoner world championship bike. See Capirossi, Melandri, Barberà, Haiden and also Rossi.
I absolutely disagree with Stoner as a test driver.
Stoner is a very good driver who often drove over problems, even winning precisely because of his qualities.
I don't even consider him a test driver
to me it always refers purely to the qualities of the motorbike……..
and then they say that canaries are susceptible…..
Pretentious, in HRC you did as much as in Ducati... nothing! While others won the title. The wsbk awaits you.
A personal reflection
This year there are only 21 drivers, last year 28….. To the wise
what a pleasure, livers.
Yes, yours. :)
Livers with gherkins for another 3 years? Yes, come on, if the 2015 Gherkin behaves well, which is part of the "life lessons for overrated prima donnas", you will be spared.
But do you reread what you write? Last three years, 2013 return to Yamaha Rossi badly 4th, 2014 good Rossi 2nd, 2015 excellent Rossi 1st.
Maybe it would continue like this.
stop badmouthing the good Dovizioso!
Haahahaha fantastic! You even let Ronnie straighten you out. Sure, a little long-winded, but he's picked you up badly too, how wonderful.
I then noticed that one of you cucumber-ready people has a particularly tight sphincter, and his meows in the dark are music to my ears...
Read above, I replied trying to make it clear who deserved the 2015 World Cup but I don't pretend to read comments other than those you have already expressed, there is no one blinder than those who don't want to see.
nando, but forget it, they don't know what to write anymore
topogigio then, dreams of cucumbers
and livers :DDD
Great, ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Ronnie
I'll give it back to you with some improvements.
I want to give you some hypothetical calculations of how things could have gone if Marquez had done his races, in Australia Rossi was +18 over Lorenzo, in that circuit Rossi would certainly have finished ahead of Lorenzo but let's put the worst result for Rossi, that is 1st Marquez , 2nd Iannone, Rossi 3rd and Lorenzo 4th, Rossi rose to +21, in Malaysia we saw that Honda was unbeatable so 1st Marquez, 2nd Pedrosa let's put 3rd Lorenzo and 4th Rossi (in the worst case scenario ), Rossi drops to +18 again, we arrive in Valencia with Rossi at +18, explain to me how he could lose the world championship?????
I want to do another alternative calculation with Rossi penalized even more, Australia result unchanged so 1st Marquez, 2nd Lorenzo, 3rd Iannone and 4th Rossi, Rossi actually went as happened at +11, Malaysia 1st and 2nd the Hondas. Let's put in the worst case scenario Lorenzo 3rd and Rossi 4th, we get to +8, last race Valencia 1st Marquez 2nd Pedrosa, 3rd Lorenzo, 4th Rossi (always in the worst case scenario), World Championship to Rossi with +5. Correct me if I got something wrong.
However, if lightning in race 5 (a random one) had struck Rossi and he had not been able to finish the race he would have had to win two more races.
ehhehe, great gnawing! all sweaty looking through Wikipedia with the calculator...what a sordid sight...the cucumber is there anyway, it's big, and it takes up all your "space" :DDDD
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Who's the one who's gnawing? Usual answers from those who don't know how to respond when faced with the evidence, you'll never admit it but Rossi is the greatest of all time.
Keep it up, 21st in the world, you'll be on your fourth or fifth liver transplant.
Ahahahahahahahaha………