MotoGP: The aluminum swingarm returns to the Ducati at Mugello
Valentino Rossi should try it again in the test to be held the day after the Italian GP
Ducati has not abandoned the aluminum swingarm and Valentino Rossi could try it again on the Monday after the Mugello grand prix, in the test to be held on the Tuscan track.
As stated by Guareschi, in Borgo Panilgale they are carrying out the development of two different aluminum swingarms, even if up to now the improvements produced on the bike have not been important.
In the private test that Rossi and Hayden did at Mugello at the end of May, the Pesaro native had good feelings, while the American decided to discard it immediately. Rossi on the other hand said that with the aluminum swingarm he was able to enter curves better and navigate them, but then once he tried it on the first day of free practice at the Catalunya Grand Prix, a strong chatter on the front, which led him to go back to the old carbon swingarm. The new part was then tested again by Rossi in the test held on the Monday following the race and then disappeared again from his Desmosedici. His crew chief Jeremy Burgees stated at the end of that test he declared that the project would be shelved for a while. “In the development of a project – the Australian told MCN – it is not necessarily the case that progress is always made. In this case I think it's best to put it aside for a while. Because in the end this aluminum swingarm gives us the torsional rigidity that we have with the carbon one, therefore It's not worth spending money to build something which doesn't give us any improvement."
Also Victorian Guareschi he was in favor of temporarily shelving the project, however, stating to MCN that “We will certainly not throw this swingarm in the garbage, but we will try to take what is good in this project. We will be able to test it again in the test on the Monday following the Mugello race. We did it to improve the bike's grip, but then we had other problems."
Problems caused by the chattering that appeared on the Ducati once the new swingarm was taken off the Tuscan track, even if in Borgo Panigale they want to see clearly why both Honda and Yamaha use aluminium.
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Big swing, chattering, corner entry, corner exit, bouncing, electronics, tires wearing out like crazy, what the hell are you doing in Ducati? Change everything in the team, from the technicians to the riders, Ducati is Ducati, you can't make it Japanese because it always has the brutality of Ducati in it. Either you win with this bike, or you change the nine-time world champion and choose a new and fresher promise of the world championship.
Look, historically Ducati (with the exception of recent years) has never had its strong point in brute power... far from it;)
Aeneas
Mhhh look, the Panigale no longer has a trellis frame, but has a MotoGP style frame...
or Japanese as you call it. Oh and of course if the Panigale loses it will be Rossi's fault, while if it wins it will be thanks to Ducati...
who tells you that Ducati can't be made Japanese and then it doesn't have to be made Japanese but it has to be made more homogeneous with Rossi's characteristics... period... then it's the technicians who can't develop the bike like him he wants it…
THIS IS WHAT I HAVE TO SAY...
For me ROSSI IS THERE and has always been there even when he hasn't overcome the problem and that is the bike that isn't there...
Ducati only won one title with Stoner thanks also to the changes Capirossi made over the years, then Stoner in 2008??? he always fell, in 2009 he didn't have a good world championship, in 2010 let's not talk about it, I even fell on the reconnaissance lap...
in 2011 I went to sign with Honda because he understood that it wasn't convenient for him to stay in Ducati...
In fact, he also said that the technicians don't know how to develop the bike!!!
it's true choose 1 promise so the following year he goes to the psychologist and goes to sbk!!!!! the problem is the motorbike!!!!! not the pilots!!!! but are you convinced that it's worth being stoned??? I say that if he goes to tech3 I'm not saying factory but in tech 3 the championship will be played!!!! he has already won with satellite teams!!!
I agree with your comment. Rossi couldn't have lost a second in three months by getting off the Yamaha and getting on the Ducati, it seems obvious to me! The problem is that in Ducati there is a working method that is too proud, rationality is not followed, in favor of experimentation beyond the possible limits of survival in MotoGP, or Ducati gets it into its head that to survive in the MotoGP it must build, and design, a rideable and competitive motorcycle, or the Borgo Panigale company will end its experience in the world championship. They hired Rossi to improve the bike and it took them a year to convince themselves that the frame he requested really needed to be designed, same thing for the engine...unfortunately (or fortunately) this is Italian pride. Let's remember that the fate of Ducati, and perhaps of Motogp, is linked to Valentino Rossi, the one who brought this championship into vogue and which cannot survive without him. These are the facts, whether one is a Rossi fan or not. Therefore Ducati should, as promised, give carte blanche to Rossi and his staff and provide them with every piece requested without any buts or ifs.
keep teasing me, the truth bothers you so much, you buffoons...
in 2007 he won for the Bridgestons and only and exclusively for the red one!!!! with the single tire the redhead made the shrimp!!!
yes it's true.. everyone says that only Stoner can ride the bike now Stoner isn't doing well even with the Honda...
Put aside your support for Valentino Rossi for a moment and restart the engine of your brain, Valentino Rossi crashed 12 times with the Ducati last year, Stoner crashed 2010 times in 5 but still took home 3 victories that year against Honda and Yamaha which were missiles compared to Stoner's Ducati. Up to now your phenomenon hasn't made an impact my friend, while Stoner won on his debut Both in Ducati and in Honda, show pride step aside and examine your conscience Rossi is not for Ducati
I reply to Axel: in fact your rationality is indisputable...much better to let Rossi get out and leave Ducati as it is now and to win clone Stoner and keep the clones hibernating, thawing them little by little over the years to remain competitive...Ducati is not a competitive bike, Rossi was hired to make it rideable, but he must be followed in his requests, otherwise it's a drama!
I completely agree
he fell more red times in one year than stoner in four...
Having said this, everyone is capable of asking for a motorbike that brakes well, that is fast in corners and that has good acceleration and top speed...
It's convenient to blame only Ducati
for me they had to continue with the old project which at the end of 2010 had proven to be competitive by winning three races….
bibo you have to consider that sometimes a motorbike fits the style of a rider like a glove, sometimes not…
Stoner was exalted by Ducati, which actually only he knew how to ride, with this Honda strangely he has returned to a "human" rider, given that the problems of this Honda do not enhance his qualities.
In my opinion, if Ducati waits for a new stoner it will fail in MotoGP... if it made Ducati more similar to Yamaha, Rossi could make the difference...
Imho ;)
Aeneas
I would add that precisely because Ducati extolled his skills, he gave the gaps to all his teammates, something he doesn't do now in Honda...
In the same way it is not explained by the characteristics of this Ducati, so even being ahead of Hayden in the standings (more or less like Stoner is on Pedrosa) the current bike still suffers, which if it wants to win it must change its path... not a rider. ;)
Aeneas
“fa” without an accent… hihi :D
Aeneas
It's simply not the right bike for Valentino and Valentino isn't right for the Red. Stoner is a different rider who has a unique style. But he also showed that if you don't have a perfect package (like in 2011) you don't win. Especially not by the abysmal gaps like he did with Ducati compared to his brand mates.
To be fair, however, it should be said that in addition to not going well for Vale, the Ducati didn't go well for a lot of other riders... ;)
This year Stoner goes against Pedrosa as it goes against Hayden...
Without abysmal gaps indeed.;)
Aeneas
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you have made ducati ugly, when the bike is ugly it runs less, you have to make it more beautiful otherwise you won't win, you wretches!
@ZARDOZ and more
dear reader, I think you don't understand how a Panigale is made if you compare it to MotoGPs... in this category of prototypes there is no motorbike with a supporting engine other than Ducati... there is absolutely no closeness... for the others who always continue to reiterate that in Ducati they don't know how to make motorbikes I would like to remind you that: - It is reiterated that the Panigale is not a Jappo, chassis-wise it does not resemble one... the Ducati philosophy has always remained a load-bearing or semi-load-bearing frame... that is, the monocoque frame is fixed directly to the ENGINE HEAD ...nothing to do with the Japanese and thank goodness...Then always with the story that Ducati doesn't know how to make engines...what does that have to do with it? We should say the same thing about the Japanese...in SBK which is the series closest to our bikes, Honda has only won 4 world championships - Yamaha and Suzuki even only one since these never win in SBK except every 6/10 years we would like to say that they don't know how to make engines... Kawasaki which won a riders' world championship however... doesn't know how to make engines. .? But what are we saying Honda doesn't win in SBK then it's not good at making motorcycles... but let's not joke...
I apologize QN if I quote another site.
Taken from GPone: "Checa makes his debut on the Ducati Panigale"
“After a long development work carried out by the Borgo Panigale testers, the Ducati reference rider was able to touch first-hand a revolutionary motorbike inspired by last year's MotoGP, whose biggest innovation is the small monocoque frame which replaces the traditional tube truss”.
Yes, maybe it's not really Japanese, that's fine but inspired by MotoGP anyway, if you don't know things, go to 8)
Ducati has its own manufacturing philosophy and I believe that it does not differ much from this one. See The Panigale 1199 motorbike has changed a lot but still with the frame attached to the engine heads... Valentino was chosen to try to make the motorbike more rideable for everyone. .and in part I think they are succeeding even if they don't get PODI...but I don't think that Ducati/Audi will easily give in to the creation of non-L or V engines as you want to call them according to Vale's directives who would also like an engine closer to the Jappos Suzuki-Kawasaki-Yamaha style i.e. four cylinders in line... I don't think Ducati will give up its philosophy perhaps a narrower "V" perhaps of 60 degrees instead of 90 like Honda but we will never see in line engines in SSTK/SBK or MotoGP on a Ducati then, who knows, never say never... but I don't think it's possible. Ducati sells precisely because this is its characteristic and its philosophy, a motorbike different from all the others... the name is there... sales are the same... it's expensive... but there is return and value even in used...
@zardoz
instead of reading the riders' statements which you know very well are always misunderstood by journalists, read the chassis specifications of the manufacturer if it is a monocoque with a load-bearing engine the frame is attached to the heads... now tell me which perimeter or deltabox in MotoGP acts as a load-bearing engine, naturally excluding Ducati The Panigale is more racing, true... but it's always a load-bearing engine on a monocoque frame that Ducati didn't invent, it was already there in the days of the srambler, my former bike... but it was introduced by MotoMorini...
But I wonder, when Rossi decided to go to Ducati there were 2 cases: either he didn't realize what type of bike he was going to ride or he thought he could adapt with just a few changes. Unfortunately none of this happened but you can't blame anyone simply Ducati and Rossi are not compatible stop saying Rossi is incompetent or that Ducati is a bad bike... Times have changed, motorbikes are more sophisticated and it is no longer so easy to go fast only with the talent of the rider. Let's not forget how much time has passed between Hayden's world championship and Stoner's 2011 championship for Honda...
there is only one problem with all this and I mean all of them (Ducati and Rossi):
are they in MOTOGP? Yes!
then if they are in MotoGP they have to do everything to win, who cares about the tradition of titles and who knows what else. they have to win and if you win people don't give a damn about how it looks under a vehicle.
Ducati is a phenomenal brand!
Rossi is a phenomenal rider!
If Rossi needs an engine with cyl. to win (what was he called to do if not win?!!?!?!?) online….do it. so much the tradition….the desmo….the history…. the heart is in SBK (road bikes that are sold) the rest is pure prototype... with prototypes you have to win given the money spent.
happy GP everyone.
Ducati must abandon its philosophy in building GP bikes, the Japs are now much, much more advanced especially in terms of chassis and electronics, something that Ducati lacks... the proof of what I'm saying is the comparison of the 2011 Honda with the Yamaha and vice versa 2012, Honda made a scary bike in 2011 and Stoner won, giving pay to Yamaha, this year the Yamaha project is better and you can see and the fact remains that Yamaha is more than 15 km/h slower than Handa and despite this he wins, this makes us understand how much the
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the projects they do in ducati are not up to the level of the jap, stoner for me was not this great phenomenon and he won the world championship with the best ducati of the last few years (he also said that after the gp7 the others were not keeping up with the Japs, he tried and always fell) and in any case the GP7 walked almost 30 km h more than the others so what it lost in the corners it partially recovered on the straight...so to conclude, Ducati must evolve like the Japs to be competitive if no at home the same Pramac team would like to leave it for 2013 because they have no results...if they leave vale carte blanche and completely abandon the Ducati philosophy they will win...and anyway for those who say it's worth it it's not great remember that he won without electronics who didn't make the bike slip or who straightens it at the moment you're losing it (it was much more difficult to ride then) and I would like to see Lorenzo or Stoner, Pedrosa and also that chatterbox about having to ride a 10 year old motorbike... or the Ducati of now against the Japs... they would make you laugh