MotoGP: Cal Crutchlow “The M1 was made according to Lorenzo's riding style which is different from mine and Rossi's”
According to the Briton, only the Majorcan can really ride the Yamaha to the limit this year
For Cal Crutchlow this year it will be very difficult to beat Lorenzo. In an interview given to MCN the Briton stated that the reigning world champion manages to ride his bike on the track in a way that only he can do and this is because the M1 in recent years has been tailor-made for Lorenzo to adapt perfectly to his driving style. According to the Monster Tech 3 team rider, this is to the detriment of him and Valentino Rossi who instead have a totally different riding style from that of the Majorcan.
“What Lorenzo did on the track on Sunday, not everyone can understand – Cal Crutchlow said – how did he manage to lean the bike so much without falling? Nobody knows. During the weekend he did what he wanted, while the other riders manage to ride like him for a maximum of one lap. On the saddle he is very calm and this is fine with the Yamaha style but he has a very conservative riding style and from the outside you can't understand when he starts to brake because the bike doesn't make sudden movements. The M1 is built around him and his style. This is fair given what he has won in recent years, but his style is different from mine. If you see instead Valentino's and mine have many similarities. I only seem more aggressive because I'm shorter."
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Quite right.
But you don't care... you're much cooler than Jorge... and damn what a pussy you have behind your back!!
Well, if that's hot I'm hot too, for me it's the dress that suits... anyway I agree with the first part!
…you women turn green when you see a better specimen…Kawasaki ah, ah, ah!!!
@N75
Hello,
we have never, until now, had the opportunity to exchange opinions but..., if you are as beautiful as the girl behind Cal... allow me to tell you that every morning and evening you have to thank the Lord for being so generous...
I'm talking about the physical appearance, the rest is other discussions and philosophy...
Blessed is your man...;-)
@Fatman
Lately you've become more annoying than usual but..., on the women's competition... (beautiful but the pimple clashes, etc. etc.) I agree 100% with you.
Surely Nadia (?) only made a joke otherwise... it's a scary pussy ;-)
Lately I've been limiting alcohol and dedicating myself to southern delicacies...
As an aperitif I am tasting a very simple and excellent Sangiovese combined with cleaned and pickled aubergines and parsley. (Puglia)
Immediately afterwards I start with Sangiovese and papacalli, spicy cherry peppers stuffed with a filling made of tuna, anchovies and capers. (Puglia)
And tomorrow... weekend at balus in Riccione.
What a sight: eating well and…
...you've definitely already tasted it but...try eating that stuff while sipping Negramaro...don't be a fundamentalist from Romagna!!!
@Fatman
I only had Sangiovese ;-) ;-)
...she's almost my ideal type precisely because she's not a canonical beauty...
no one, absolutely no one, will ever be able to fill the void left by Adriana Tuchyna, married Stoner….
:-(
@W_Il_Sic
Hi Robby,
shall we get a ticket to Australia and go to Adriana? ;-)
Casey runs around in the car and goes fishing...
Let's start with fans and… ahahah
If I didn't have a wife who thinks she's Lorena Bobbit, I'd do it right away!
hahahahahahaha
…what a cutie, right…almost like Fico (sigh!!!)…Cal, however, exaggerated, the geriatrician literally drives better than him…it's noticeable when braking and exiting…he still has a SBK style of riding despite a few years in MotoGP , this is paid in terms of time, they are important tenths and at the end of the race they are second... without counting tire wear... this is the difference between the Yamaha riders and the others... the sums will be drawn halfway through the championship!! !
I wouldn't know how to evaluate it, but already in another interview, referring to those who make the same observation as you, he had said that in reality if you look at the data, except for a couple of curves, he and Rossi face (I no longer know which ) the path in the same way.
...the data may well be similar, but you can clearly see that they drive differently...we're the usual...I'll make myself unpopular but those who ride a (road) motorbike can see things that others (non-motorcyclists) don't see...the the only example I give is entering a curve: the nurse is significantly closer to the rope, inserts first and exits "almost" like Lorenzo... I say almost because Lorenzo, incredibly, bends significantly more than the doctor in charge and he comes out as strong as he is... how the fuck he does it only Jorge knows... in this way he manages to overtake his opponents more easily when braking and eliminates (or almost) the references to those who follow, who do not they can pass him on the inside if they aren't much faster than him...Cal, on the other hand, is aggressive like few others when braking and this leads him to widen just enough to make him waste time...the bike breaks down for a moment and the game it's done...in the fast corners you could see that he was keeping up with the geriatrician's pace but in the slow ones he wasn't...the tenths are lost precisely in this phase...then we can talk about the difference in engine, more or less rigid suspensions, slightly different mappings but the substance has always been this... the only one who managed to do both things (entry and exit) in a stratospheric way was Stoner... and now there's Jorge... the kangaroo always skidded and the Mallorcan seems on the tracks... different styles for an almost identical result...all this hassle to say: don't take the telemetry and what the pilots say at face value...getting behind them always hurts...for everyone, without exception!!!
... "in this way he is able to overtake his opponents more easily when braking and eliminates (or almost) the references to those who follow, who are unable to pass him on the inside if they are not much faster than him" ... and it was clear that this part was referring to the nurse... rereading it I thought it could be misunderstood...
It may be a bike built around Lorenzo (and it certainly is, rightly so) but the indications from Rossi for now are the same as those from Lorenzo, at least from what we can read from the interviews, so it shouldn't go so bad for the two of them either .
“What Lorenzo did on the track on Sunday, not everyone can understand”: never truer words.
“What Lorenzo did on the track on Sunday, everyone can't understand – said Cal Crutchlow – how did he manage to lean the bike so much without falling? Nobody knows"
eh! by force! after being behind Stoner for so many races he must have learned something from the "master", right?
;-)
This page so far is simply WONDERFUL!
There is – for now – not just 1 red thumb and not just 1 green thumb.
Fantastic!!
…I just thumbed your nose…I made a technical comment and you didn't notice…you're too used to my c@g@te…
the truth is another dear my "fat guy": it's not that I ignore your technical comment and read your c@g@te. You and one other (whose name I won't mention) are the only two who totally IGNORE anything you write.
At least until, as far as you are concerned, instead of just joking, you continue to address direct insults and direct insults to me, without, among other things, me ever giving you a reason.
So stay calm and drink a Glen Grant, I'll ignore you regardless.
…joke…
…Glen Grant sucks as a whisky…not even a satisfaction!!!!
@Fatman
when you dispense objective technical pearls by educating ignorant people like me you are fantastic.
When you go off the tangent to provoke... now, I speak for myself who have known you for a while..., I don't even get angry anymore.
I just think..., let's hope that between one nonsense and another... ;-) he dispenses some other pearls.
Beautiful Fatman..., a little for one, what do you care?
You are an expert, a motorcyclist, a sportsman... let's all play together...
By the way, how old are you?
If I remember correctly, you wrote that you followed motorbikes a few decades before '89?
Are you in your sixties?
Nothing changes, just that... Max-Testoner is my age..., in your challenge age/reflexes count ;-)
@fatman:
I gave you the Glen Grant on purpose, it's what you deserve until you start having some consideration for my little person, since I DON'T DESERVE YOUR INSULTS AT ALL.
However – even if you do NOT deserve it – I admit that your technical comment was noteworthy… (I already know I will regret this outing).
Even more noteworthy is your suggestion on Negramaro!! My favorite wine… (but – I wonder – how can a pleasure-seeker like you be so str@nz@ at the same time??)
Hello "fat guy"
PS in the meantime "it disgusts you-it disgusts you" but I see that you've already downed Glen's bowl entirely!! Ahahahahahahahaha
@Lyonn
...I probably read it wrong, it seemed like '99 to me...if it was written '89 (and I believe it), the years are exactly 13...I've been following it systematically since '76 but I also remember a little something from '73...I'm from '65...and I don't break up with age, otherwise testoner will dump me...he likes young people!!!
Well guys, I always say that the biggest cutie is Melandri's Manu, wow if dd does it to me, you've made me think of it and now I have to go and touch myself, hi hi hi!
…but enough with the Manu…whatever…we have n75, aren't you happy?
Hi fatman, but of course I'm happy that there is n75 which by the way is very nice and objective, but I don't like Manu either, why maaaa……..., certainly n75 is also very nice I don't doubt but I haven't got it yet seen in person. (as if to say let's meet, hi hi hi!)
@Fatman
Yes but…, have you ever seen N75?
I do not…;-)
@Lyon:
no one saw her!
It could very well be one with a pigtail... but in the wrong place!
;-))
@W_Il_Sic
no offense to our only "female" in the blog..., she might even have a tail...
Maybe it's Marco alias Mugello, alias N75...
I'm joking but the joke is there: a super-hot woman on the blog?
Well..., in his place I would have a lot of fun, other than 4 idiots (in a good way if you're so gn@occa) on motograndprix), or not?
@N75
Tell us all ;-)
…she just wrote that the one in the photo with Cal is a mess, think about what she must look like…
Exactly, when will we see each other n75?
Hi hi hi!
In the post above I forgot a "I know" ah ha ha you see when talking about chicks I no longer understand a... ah ah ah!
…H, look, n75 has already chosen testoner…now that he has 2 activities, of course…the two of us are left out…I only see some possibilities for Pasini…
Hi hi hi!
I pass this one off to you as good, but Manu isn't good, she's pretty (at least in the face), although maybe I understand why you like it, but I can't say.
@h95: Thanks for being objective and nice
And for Pasini there is much more than one possibility…
IF he was interested.
Anyway, so I can get back to thinking, I'm not hot and I'm pimply, sorry :)
@N75
Maybe it's because the first thing that strikes me are the eyes (in addition to everything else, you man...) the man has two eyes like a mischievous elf that you would dive into and then... what a body...
I can only congratulate you: you must be a stratospheric woman...
Blessed are you and blessed is your man ;-)
fatman
I didn't expect a comment like that from you, I wasn't ready psychologically (or how to spell it) :).
I never give green or red thumbs, but now I have. You deserve a green thumb!
I totally agree with your comment, at least you won't be the only one to be hurt :).
I would add that you notice some small things much more if you have a certain confidence with the track.
I bring you my little experience:
I have always been a track player (except with cross, I like to make some passes, going a little against the law :) ). The first few times with my group we went like this, in complete disarray...
Then we decided to do some more track driving courses, and there a world opened up to everyone... They make you understand and you learn to do some small things, they are difficult to write down and report.
This also makes you understand what level the drivers who race in the world championship are at (I did the course with a former driver, where I removed gears and he put them in XD). These are things that you have to try, in some ways another world opens up.
I recommend everyone to do them, especially if they love track driving and speed...
In addition to increasing your safety and that of others around you when you are on the track, you learn a lot of behaviours, movements and style, useful for everyday driving...
Today, there are an avalanche of these courses.
...and an off-roader spoke to you, think about it...however these courses lead you to overdo it on the road...not all of them but, too much safety, combined with a track experience, makes you do things that you might bitterly regret many times...I swore that if a very dear friend of mine had improved after a very serious accident I would have sold my proverbial R1... well, to my utmost joy (for the friend, of course) the dream has come true... he will probably remain slightly "asleep" like Falappa but it has improved significantly after almost 2 terrible years... you know it in advance, dear Suzuki fan... I will only keep the V-Strom with which I will do some rides with my motoclub... the Yamaha is promised to another friend... the challenge with testoner and H won't be there...the reason still seems valid to me...a promise is a promise!!!
It will mean that I'll go and time them ah, ah, ah... don't race on the road, it's never worth it!!!
The fault is not of the courses, but of those who drive...
It is you who carries the motorbike, not the motorbike which carries you.
The first and only time I sold the GSX was precisely because a dear friend of mine gave it up...
Then I re-purchased it, for various reasons…
Many believe they are the masters of the world, especially if they are beginners.
I repeat:
It's up to the driver to turn on his brain, it's not the bike that has to do it.
Well I'm happier that your friend has recovered rather than giving you the payback, I agree with what BCS said but I would add that accidents are often caused by distractions both from cars, mostly, but also from motorbikes.
I absolutely use my CBR without the db killer just to make myself feel that I'm arriving because with the silent motorbike it's a danger when driving on the streets, to give an example otherwise there would be too many, it happened to me many times that I overtook a car and what the driver doesn't realize that you're overtaking him and moves away, risking knocking you over, it even happened to me even without the dbk.
Distraction or the thought of being alone on the roads are the primary causes.
I make horns!
I recommend caution and great attention to everyone!
Yes, several times I too risked being mowed down by some distracted driver...
Especially when you get to the intersections, they really don't shit you.
There are many dangers on the road, there's no point in hiding it, but in just as many cases, we motorcyclists are to blame.
I repeat, I can't stand those who think they are the classic motorcyclists who are masters of the world... Especially the fanatics who ride a thousand for the first time and believe they are world champions, I can't stand them (I hope they aren't on this forum, but I don't think so). ). Sometimes they are a danger, not only for themselves, but also for those around them...
We've all been through this phase more or less :), I've been through it too and some bones are gone.
Don't tell me that between "embroideries" (scars) and broken bones I've lost count, bye.
fatman
I'm very, very happy for your friend, that's the most important race!
Congratulate him on my behalf too.
I can imagine your satisfaction, after seeing the "collapse" and the slow recovery. (With all the suffering that entails). Luckily I can understand what you feel and you have felt, let's say on the lucky side!
But unlike you, instead of improving I saw him getting worse and worse, to the point of no return...
So dear fat, give big compliments to your friend and... STRENGTH AND COURAGE!
Then there is a remedy for everything, the important thing is to fight and not give up!!!
I believe there is nothing new on the horizon: Lorenzo is Yamaha's first rider and, rightly, they follow his instructions.
Vale and Cal must and can (we are talking about Yamaha) adapt and set it according to their needs.
It seems fair and honest to me that the first guide has one more word than the others...
Let's be honest…
I believe that the fact of coming from the small displacement category (first the 125 and then the 250) has shaped the guidance of the majority of riders today, and in the recent past (see Biaggi and Cadalora)... with some exceptions... the American and Australian riders who instead come from championships often started on dirt roads, dirt-track, or in any case on large-displacement and powerful motorbikes.
The way you start will then influence the entire future of every single rider... it was like that for me, and it's still the same today in my opinion.
Stoner was strong in braking, but I think Dovizioso and Rossi are stronger than him in that...Stoner entered the corners medium-strongly, but not as strong as Rossi or Lorenzo (who took huge risks in Losail during practice)...the greatest Stoner's merit, what made him in my eyes the greatest talent I have ever seen... is the ability to make the rear wheel slide to close the corners as soon as possible, being then able to straighten the bike before the others and therefore open the throttle violently and exploit all the horsepower of the motorbike before the others because when the motorbike is folded you cannot open the throttle violently under penalty of violent falls.
His skill was evident above all when he was drifting at very high speed... something that no one before him had ever achieved... in this he was unique... then for many he didn't win anything and he wasn't great, but for me he remains the greatest talent of history, together with Spencer, Schwantz and Saarinen (all people with enormous talent, but who won little or nothing compared to the talent they were gifted with).
At Losail Enea wrote here that if Rossi had started with Lorenzo he could have battled with him... I don't know this... it's possible... but as an ex-driver I say that...: lap with record times in the first laps, or the first lap like Spencer did in the last race at Imola (I was there) in 1983... the race that earned him his first world title in 500 (youngest in history, Stoner second youngest after Spencer), well Spencer turned on the first lap with the new record of the Santerno route…
Setting record times in the cold remains one of the most difficult things to do, because it requires courage and extreme sensitivity at the same time...
I believe that Crutchlow was very honest when he said that he is sure that Lorenzo would also win with his bike (I think so too...).
But I also think that if there wasn't this electronics of today, and everyone raced with the first 1000 MotoGPs... Rossi would have no rivals among these riders of today, because they all seem to have a very clean ride derived precisely from the old 250... while Rossi I I remember him with the 500 and with the first 1000 with little electronics that he also drifted... of course, not like Stoner... but I believe that once Stoner retired, without electronics with the current riders he would have no rivals...
But, having to race with the current MotoGPs, he is forced to go back in time a bit in terms of riding style, because these current bikes are ridden more like big 250s.
I hope I haven't bored you... and if I do, I apologize.
I agree on almost everything, but I would make a note, which is also intended, if possible, to be a request for further information... ;)
Let me explain…
When Crutchlow says that Lore would win even with his bike, what's so strange? I'm not referring to the fact that it's obvious that lore (and it's worth) is superior to cal, but that at this point in the season, his Yamaha is not inferior to that of the Majorcan.
Cal rides last year's excellent world champion bike, Lorenzo and Vale's bike is still in the "laboratory" phase and they don't even know exactly what pays and what doesn't, they have yet to say the last word on the new chassis, and I remember Lorenzo in 2011 going back to using some technical solutions from the year before because the evolutions were counterproductive.
To conclude, I don't think that at this moment Cal has a bike that is inferior to those of the factory team.
What do you say? do you have detailed information on this?
:)
Aeneas
I don't think there are any official news, but at a guess I also believe that Cal has a factory "managed" by the external team. Now Honda and Yamaha are studying them all to beat each other up and prevail over each other.
Rob,
I know you don't like me, but I don't care: this time we need to give to Caesar what is Caesar's.
This comment of yours is highly appreciated, because (along with some of your others), pure technique comes out with IMPARTIALITY.
When you write like this you can't help but be grateful.
THANKS FOR THE PEARLS OF TECHNICAL WISDOM TO FATMAN AND ROB.
Rob
You said the same words about stoner that you said are valid in an interview, anyway you know my poor ignorant opinion..."that is, for me if it's worth it and if it's always close to you" both with someone and...
In my opinion, if he hadn't made a mistake, he would have finished 1st, but as they say with ifs and buts... we'll see later... there will definitely be duels...
For me, Rossi Lore and Marquez alternate if he doesn't fall.. I see Pedro as out of the running and at risk of losing the HRC.
Lyon66
Dear friend..
I can't put the audio on the videos that are missing due to challenges.. I didn't forget.. I have to fix the computer.
Make a profile on your face come on... I never come in but I use it for these things..
anyway, even though my father has recorded all the races since he is in the premier class, this year I managed to log in to the Moto GP website.
I have to say that for me the greatest of all time is worth it, there's nothing to be done..
in fact I struggle to understand those who don't see it in the 1st 3 and why..
For Mike56…:
Making comparisons between riders of different eras is always unpleasant... and for various reasons...
Before, motorbikes were infinitely more difficult to ride than those of today...
I'll give you a trivial example...:
The Morbidelli 125 from 1979, a 2-stroke twin-cylinder with around 50 hp... delivered power in a narrow range of around 2000 rpm between 13000 and 15000... it followed that just knowing how to start was an art for very few (Walter Villa, multiple world champion with the HD250 and 350 RR he described several times what trick he used to start them (I, who own one, never turn it on..:-)
Today, if you get a Moto3, even a child can turn it on... and any normal user can easily ride a MotoGP (provided they go slowly of course), whereas before you couldn't do it with a 500... so here's how to make comparisons between riders of different eras different is not possible.
Enea says of Rossi that he is as smart as the devil (his words), I simply say that he is intelligent and aware of his means...
However, if we want to talk about cunning...then we must mention the name of the one who was nicknamed "The Fox"....=Carlo Ubbiali (9 world titles), his cunning was legendary...nothing to do with Rossi, I I know him personally, and I know many of the things he did in the race, but perhaps you can read about his exploits in some good book or magazine.
In a rider I only look at the way he rides... how he feels on the saddle, what he can do with the bike, and which bike he does it with... usually the duels tell me little or nothing... except those between Schwantz and Rainey... maybe because their hatred was so deep-rooted that they tried the impossible to stay in front of the other...
I've never liked Rossi's way of riding the bike.
This does not change the fact that although he is less talented than others...he has however won a lot...because in addition to being very good with the motorbike, he was also very good at getting on the right motorbikes at the right time (he himself describes it in his book as this or that mechanic wanted because he knew its value even before working on it...).
If we only talk about victories...the numbers are enough for Rossi.
If we're talking about pure talent, no.
Stoner, Schwantz, Spencer, Saarinen, Hailwood, Duke... they were definitely more talented than him.
@Mike58
Hello my dear,
How is it going? ;-)
Don't worry about the videos, it seems that the MGP is moving again and that's enough for me.
May the best obviously win but..., for the show... luckily there is the "Va-fortino" couple with Marquez ;-);-)
I always prefer the… ValeVola, VolaVale, Go Vale Go, The Doctor but…, we are in a foreign land…
Some, in order not to recognize the merits of the one/those who envy us all over the world, would be willing to go to a Zulu camp in a loincloth...
That's fine: everyone thinks as they want, for sport, for life and for pussy ;-)
@Rob
Hi Rob,
I speak for myself, when someone more expert (everyone) expresses a technical opinion it never bores me..., on the contrary... it teaches me.
I don't think it's a question of cheering: you talked about several riders, citing strong and weak points; All your considerations are there, agreeable or not.
Honestly..., if you like, give us your comments and experiences too, then, you know how it works, all life is like this...: you will have people on the same wavelength and others on other wavelengths.
But what do you care?
If you want to have your say by spending your more or less limited time among us, so be it.
Do I or others think differently?
But what do you care, just respect each other and go...;-)
I always speak for myself but I think everyone would like a less instinctive and more technical/objective comment.
We are all biased: for and against, you are a former pilot..., so... have your say and thanks.;-)
x Aeneas…:
An Italian Tech3 mechanic interviewed at Losail said that the biggest difference between last year's bike and the 2013 one is the engine... honestly I know as much as you do... that is, nothing... just what you saw on television... and that is that the his bike was noticeably slower than the others on the main straight….
However, I remind everyone...that the thing that influences speed on a straight line more than anything else is...: the way in which you exit the curve that leads onto the straight...because, the stronger you manage to exit...the smaller it will be. the rear sprocket (number of teeth..), this will then make the same bike seem to have much more horsepower than the same identical bike encountered further along the straight... I remember one day in free practice at Misano... which seemed to me to be already going fast ....but, after 4 rounds of testing my mechanics had changed a whole series of chainrings...and in the end they were finished...and I was still slightly furious on the straight...because...the more you go out faster...the more you can lengthen the gears …and the faster your bike will be in a straight line…
Conclusion... I think that the 2013 bike is certainly better than the 2012 in everything... but the difference at the moment is Lorenzo on that bike... because we all don't even know if he really shot to death in the race... we'll see it later anyway. after you…
@N75
Sorry because, unfortunately, I don't know you in person.
I saw the photo of the brunette behind Cal but... honestly, she's a killer hottie...
Sorry for the folkloristic term but if you are better than her... drop everything and live on your income.
Not with an old man, as an image woman for television commercials, advertising campaigns, services as a model and..., here comes the male..., blessed is he who fucks you.
Not just sex obviously..., but he's still lucky... ;-)
If you really are like the little brat..., even though I'm not naturally envious, I naturally think... blessed, blessed, blessed.
It will then have to do with your character but in the meantime... blessed, blessed, blessed.
Hi dear, sorry if I embarrass you or I seem like the usual chauvinist man...; my only natural gift is acting like an ass: joking, being annoying and laughing about it.
I think you can understand: what sign are you..., zodiacally speaking?
I'm Leo... ;-)
;-) ;-)
@Lyon66
Pablo, good…,
Did it ever seem to you straight to fer l'esen?
Do I know what to say?
I'm done axe...
;-);-)
Since there is silence....I take this opportunity to add a small detail....
What makes a balanced racing motorcycle... are a set of factors... the achievement of which is always the ultimate goal of any manufacturer...
Among all these factors…some are more important than others…
For example… the chassis, and the weight distribution…
The wheelbase (the length of the motorcycle between the two axles)
The height of the motorcycle from the ground.
The trail (the inclination of the steering head)
And finally, where the engine is positioned in the frame...
Today the Japanese (especially with Yamaha) seem to have squared the circle... but, for decades they have had motorcycles with very powerful engines, like this one here, 138 kg for 150 hp in 1969... capable of 200 miles at Daytona... but, only a daredevil like Kenny Roberts could have managed to tame it…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKvoh8i2YIk&NR=1&feature=endscreen,perchè he was undriveable, a real runaway bull...
For decades...the Japanese have seen their engines mounted under the frames of very famous English craftsmen (Spondon, Harris, Drixton, Rickman), the Italian Bimota (with the South African John Eckerold world champion on Bimota powered by Yamaha TZ), still the Italian Segale in the world endurance championship, the Swiss Egli, the Dutch Nikko Bakker and many others…
I don't think any of you know that... in the nineties... when Wayne Rainey won on Yamaha... he did it with a non-Yamaha chassis... but one built by the English company Harris to house the YZR 500 engines that Yamaha sold to private riders in those years …
During the race, Rainey immediately realized that the private riders with those bikes could afford things that he couldn't do... and forced Yamaha to... drop their trousers... and in great secrecy (we only learned much after this), he raced and won with a Yamaha Harris….
Now, since this is yesterday's story... I don't understand why Ducati was so obstinate in wanting to make the frame itself... (it's true that the English FTR does it, but it's also true that the design is Italian... that is, FTR only builds according to Italian specifications...).
Instead, Ducati had to go to Spondon, because they have always been the best together with Harris... and they had to make them come to the factory to show them their bike (Ducati's real problem is that they don't want to show their bike to anyone) ….and give it carte blanche, just as Yamaha did in its time with Rainey….Ducati has a very powerful engine, what is missing is being able to fully exploit it…..and if giants like the Japanese are often in difficulty under that I wait…..there would be nothing wrong with asking for external help…..
I finished…:-)
Certainly the chassis is almost as fundamental as aerodynamics in F1...evidently in Borgo Panigale they are confident of being able (also thanks to Audi funds) to build a good chassis without external help...obviously they don't have the English or Japanese experience in relation to the chassis classic racing... if I'm not mistaken, FTR builds the Moto2 and CRT chassis and they don't seem naive to me, I also believe that if the design is made in Ducati and the FTR production, this does not mean that the English manufacturer can also put its experience to work in the project phase... let's hope for the best.
Let's not forget, however, that the world championship won in 2007 was won with a tubular trellis frame and supporting engine, that is, with a unique construction philosophy in MotoGP...obviously, just as the talent of those who tamed that beast was unique...and I'll also throw in the wonderful Bridgestones... but the present is very different, Stoner has retired, the chassis has changed and evolved... the engine will do the same... Preziosi is out of competition... in short, a new Ducati was born... anyway it was wonderful to see the birth of the GP project and reach the 2007 world title... with many races won, track records, poles etc...
For Stonami77:
Stoner's world title on Ducati... was possible due to a whole series of factors, which I list here in order of importance (in my humble opinion)
-Stoner
-screamer engine
- the Bridgestones
-competition with Michelin
Ducati won that year above all because Stoner in the saddle hid the chassis problems of that bike, but also because it was the only bike equipped with a screamer engine, and therefore could boast about twenty more horsepower. with a difference in speed remarkable on the straights.
I don't see that the FTR wins in moto 2 or moto 3... instead I see that from nothing semi-unknowns built the Kalex with which all the strongest riders now race...
Furthermore, whoever has to make the frame must necessarily be able to view the material (as mentioned above, Ducati is against having its bike viewed by people outside the Ducati racing department).
Spondon and also Harris still represent the best when it comes to racing frames for speed bikes... turning to them means a guarantee of success, and without wasting time... there is no one like them around, not even the Japanese themselves they have their abilities….and the story says so, and not me.
Obviously Stoner, Screamer etc... yours is a "strong" statement... it seems difficult to me that Ducati is hiding fundamental information from the FTR... even though these vehicles (the MotoGPs) may be experimental prototypes and have industrial secrets ...anyway, if this is the case, it means that regardless of the manufacturer of the Ducati racing chassis, I don't see how we can have a fruitful collaboration..
For Stonami:
I know a little about their (Ducati) mentality... even within the factory itself there are very strict rules... no one can enter the racing department, not even the company managers... let alone if they let outsiders in...
However, I imagine that everyone does it, in fact I think the Japanese are even worse on that side...
The fact also remains that FTR is not the best that could be found on the market.
The history of motor racing has always been dotted with a continuous stealing of secrets from each other... in all possible ways... legal... and illegal... the last sensational case if you remember was when McLaren bought all the drawings of Ferrari formula 1 by an English employee of Ferrari, there were many people involved, among whom Alonso himself had to testify and admit that at the time he too knew...
Returning to the present day....when the Japanese understood that Ducati was far ahead of them in the field of motorcycle software...once they identified the 2 people who were in charge of it...they literally snatched them away from Ducati (Yamaha) for you to come to its once stolen by Honda….
So, it's no surprise if Ducati is reluctant to show its secrets to external frame builders...
The mistake is clear….the motorbike in the video is from the early 80s….the acronym is OW69….
None of you know the brand of these rims in the video….yet you are watching history….they are the first alloy wheels mounted on a Grand Prix Motorcycle….
Surprise me….let's see who among you can tell me the brand of these very famous alloy wheels….
In my opinion they don't even know the answer in the editorial staff (Motograndprix.com)...:-)
Rob
Sorry but I was working….
Cal's Yamaha didn't seem to have less of an engine to me... The speeds were only 2 km lower than Vale's, and perfectly identical to those of Cal's...
On the other hand, you can see with the naked eye when he passes him on a straight line and the slipstream barely allowed him to pass him...
If Crutchlow had less engine than the official ones, the only possible hypothesis would be that he came out of the last corner better than Vale e Lore to fill the engine gap... and obviously that wasn't the case... I think that for the moment the bikes don't differ as much as performance…
In my opinion, it's the factory riders who make the difference... especially Lore.
Aeneas
@Aeneas. For once I liked what you wrote...
…for once…???
Yet I always like myself!!!:D heheheh ^^
Hi, I'll keep it
Aeneas
Crutchlow is certainly an excellent rider, Lorenzo is a multiple world champion. Speaking of Valentino, it would be appropriate to point out to him: 1-that Valentino Rossi made the M1, 2-that at the end of the race Rossi was lapping in the same times as Lorenzo, 3-that Rossi still lacks a bit of confidence given his two years passed to lead the Ducati chain and 4-that when he tried to pull the braking with Rossi at the end of the straight Rossi entered the corner and he took a walk in the desert.
And there was evening and there was morning: eighth day.
Rossi made the M1.
Without the possibility of evolution or changes.
But have you read the interview?? he doesn't say he has 3 and a half seconds in his wrist. In fact, he has always said that Lorenzo on his bike would probably do the same as he does on the factory bike. He would like an officer to understand where he could get to, and who wouldn't want one?
Can we compete on the same bike?
But let's say that Rossi is the best, head and shoulders above everyone else, so what? Do others have to ride scooters? Meh
Ha ha ha, great n75!!!
Finally n75 comes out into the open and clarifies which side he is on….
Not that it wasn't already understood before, but now it's clearer.
Obviously - if it's true - he has the mitigating circumstance (which everyone else doesn't have) of being "only" 25 years old and therefore for her/him, Valentino Rossi only met him after the fact....
Oooops!
I forgot…. maybe she/he is right:
in fact a great wise man wrote that Valentino Rossi is "no talent and all luck"...
What did he say? Oh yes! He's just someone who was lucky enough to have the right bike at the right time, citing 10 or 12 others from the past + one from the recent-present-but-already-past who were much greater than him...
and then a normal person like me asks himself: what need is there to throw so much shit at someone who the world considers one of the living legends of motorcycling??
But you know, a drop of envy clouds minds more than liters of alcohol, sometimes.
…great n75….continue like this…for canaries the main foundation is: “geriatrician forever”….woe to speak badly of it…under penalty of endless suffering ah, ah, ah!!! Yellow clowns!!!
Colorless idiot
@N75/Mugello/*Marco perhaps…
I have never allowed myself to cross paths with your conversations...
I think you're a man in disguise but it doesn't matter: if you don't have sympathy or treat your blog buddies/comrades with arrogance because 1- that's ugly and you're pimple bill in the pus valley 2- you're being witty and arrogant... my daughter (I could be your father) go back to eating bread and Nutella and don't tear us up...
Hi beautiful…
At my command ;-) now... raise hell you 3-4, I could care less and I'll reply to everyone ;-)
El Diablo… ;-)
The fact is, as already said millions of times, that speaking badly of the geriatrician does not affect those who objectively look at the Tavullian for what he actually is: that is, Legend.
But at the same time he does a great "collective work of good" by helping many gnawing, envious, nobodies feel better who perhaps in life have even raced on a motorbike without accomplishing anything but feel entitled to climb onto a pedestal and even say that Rossi has no talent as a driver!
Ahahahahahahahahaha
But you have to make a statue of Rossi, of course, since it allows you to save a lot of money on benzodiazepines and sessions with a psychoanalyst!
Ahahahahahahahaha
I had written a long comment but the page reloaded, in summary:
Rossi excellent rider, the best???
“Rossi made the M1”. She speaks for herself.
I don't like him (but neither does Lorenzo), but it doesn't matter.
The article is about a very honest Cal
...but shouldn't you have ignored me?...(your words)...it's you who's gnawing... meanwhile, as usual, you speak badly of someone who could teach you a lot of things (Rob) just because he claims that the geriatrician isn't among his favorite drivers...think how fundamentalist you are...other than p@ll@...at least if you only spoke badly of me, I would understand...you are deeply on my p@ll@ and, I remind you, a user had registered (or re-registered) just to insulting... it will mean something... if you have never ridden a motorbike on the track you will never understand some things... we can write millions of words but the gist is this... and then Rob is right... if you talk to the biggest experts of every era (not with your Albanian friend Enea, of course), the best was Hailwood... deal with it and don't insult those who have at least run a few races and understand more than all of us put together... and change your nickname, I don't you deserve it!!!
@n75:
Just to clarify: I respected you and I liked you and since I find it silly, useless and mysterious why one should insult a pilot at all costs just to counter one's own frustrations, it seemed to me that you did not belong to the category of "fartmen", but to those of intelligent people, so I was surprised by your comment. Among other things, your comment could have been there and it was nice, but it's a shame that in here it means pouring fuel on the fire because the idiot on duty always comes out and exploits it, transforming it into an insult for someone.
That's all, certainly Checcho Petraro's was a little over the top and spoke for itself, it could have simply ended in a smile, even a smile of commiseration if necessary, but still a smile. However...for the little that may matter, he certainly isn't mad at you for continuing to like me: it's certainly not the fact that you have other sporting interests that makes me change my mind about you, I'd be happy to be your "virtual friend" of forum" as I would be of bibo, Testoner (but unfortunately he doesn't want him) or H954RR who, while attacking Rossi, do so without insulting him and above all without in
go on…
ESPECIALLY without insulting other users.
And in any case you have to admit that I have not written anything bad against you, nor would I ever do so. Just like I never do it with anyone but one (starts with Fart and ends with man)
I sincerely hope that I have explained myself and that we have clarified ourselves.
@fartman:
1. I would very willingly ignore you, as already said, if it were mutual. But not only do you not do it (ignore me) but you ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY insult me for no reason. In fact, every time I ignore you, you write a comment on purpose and only to offend me: what do you want, for me to cash in and shut up? well, I already do it 9 out of 10, the Tenth I will be able to send you ac@g@re, or not?
2. To Rob, in this very thread I applauded and thanked him for his technical comments, which are precious and I have never denied it. But he TOTALLY ignored this gesture of mine, master of doing it but it is the confirmation of his haughtiness which leads to arrogance.
3. I reproach Rob for often using his motorbike experience to throw shit at a rider who he certainly envies for where he has reached. In fact it is true that Rob said that he doesn't like how Rossi drives, and so far everything is ok, I have not disputed this opinion in the slightest, but asserting that Rossi is a "talentless" rider is ridiculous as well as useless provocation . He is a talent different from other talents, but this thing of absolutely establishing who was the greatest of all time is for mentally ill people. Because you do it with the numbers of titles and races won, or you do it on the basis of your own simple opinions which are, however, OPINIONS and not Absolute Truths, and therefore CONTESTABLE!
3. of those who sign up specifically to insult me WHO CARES, they are poor people, like you are the moment you made insulting me a mission without ever having done anything to you. Look at yourself in the mirror: you like to insult everything and everyone who doesn't think like you or who doesn't lick your kul@, well learn to tolerate even those who don't think like you and do it WITHOUT INSULTING ANYONE!
4. I don't get bored because I have something else in life, much more. Coming here every now and then is just a diversion, a pastime: it's you who - given how angry, OFFENSIVE and resentful you are, you seem to have nothing else. Go on like this!
5. An absolute zero like you cannot and must not be allowed to tell anyone, much less me, what nickname I should have. Are you pissed off you say? Who cares, I'm sorry for you, it's your problem, I didn't do anything to piss you off! Try not to insult me personally (directly and indirectly) for a few days and you'll see that I'll be less and less annoying: you won't even realize I exist.
You claim to drink liters of alcohol, but this is strange, as alcohol usually has two main effects.
1. It burns the brain
2. It noticeably increases your good mood and makes the drunk very likable!
In your case only the 1 occurs. without giving us the pleasure of 2.
…w sic, just one thing…valem@rd@!!!
@W_il_Sic
But who ever said you treated me badly, after all I don't care.
Since you said "you finally came out", I thought I would briefly explain my point of view.
It's not like I spare myself a joke because then all hell explodes, those at motograndprix will be grateful :)
For the rest I have no particular sympathy towards the users of this forum, I find some comments interesting, others futile, funny, absurd, sometimes even stupid.
@n75:
ok, good, thanks
@fartman:
you are right.
@W_Il_Sic
Hi Robby,
but... sorry... ok, thanks and all right to whoever... regardless of personal (sporting) opinions which have nothing to do with it...
To a person who says, in a few words, that he enters but finds the comments… read below…
“For the rest I have no particular sympathy towards the users of this forum, I find some comments interesting, others futile, funny, absurd, sometimes even stupid”?
Without naming names... are you talking about the usual 3 or 4 idiots?
Does it lump everything together?
In the post above I was even too kind: Fatman is less offensive when he offends Vale.
This pus also has it (if it's a woman) in the brain.
As you know, I love women, after work (for obvious reasons) they are fundamental in a man's life.
The "women"...: fake women or paranoids which is the same thing)... better a communist who knocks on the door with L'Unità...
You see him and send him to wash the windows at home hahaha…
Dearest Lyon!
You may be right, but in the end there is no worse deaf person than someone who doesn't want to understand….
And in the end I don't live for controversy, it's no use to anyone and in life there are more imitative things, MUCH more important!
Look at Rob, he's mad at me because I constantly urge him not to throw shit at Rossi as this is not befitting of a True Motorcycle Champion like him, but rather it's more the practice of a cheap troll, which he is NOT…
n75, after her answer through which she offends the forum except 3/4 friends, either I responded in kind like you did or the only one was the answer I gave her... Dante Alighieri, much more erudite than me, finding himself in the same situation, wrote " Don't worry about them but watch and pass by"
Fartman finally is a losing race, I understand that after Rossi, he enjoys insulting me: in the end I do a good deed, I give a man the opportunity to feel better through the venting of his worst feelings on me .
I hope I deserve a little piece of Paradise for this good deed.
@Lyon:
I was misunderstood, or I explained myself badly:
I'm not here to make friends or enemies,
I simply read post by post and (regardless of who writes them) I find all types.
It's not that, regardless, I support all of h95rr's posts and consider fatman's to be stupid, (to give random examples) just because they were written by that specific person. I care about the content, not the sender. That's why I didn't mention any names.
And I post all kinds too. Which is kind of the beauty of this forum.
Instead, you put me and 2 other users together: who lumps everyone together?
@N75
Apart from the fact that no one bothers me inside the blog, maybe there is one and it's certainly not Fatman, Rob, Bibo, H954, Testoner, etc. (not even you to be clear) even if they were 2 out of 40-50 users... personally I would define it as careful selection, not "all the same".
I'll tell you more: the person mentioned above, (in the end it doesn't matter to me, he doesn't even bother me) is *Marco/Mugello.
So, as you can see..., in my nickname you can't even find a blade of grass... let alone a bundle.
Or rather... you can find the bundle but it's not the grass one... ;-);-)
fat man
“If you've never ridden a motorbike on the track you'll never understand some things... we can write millions of words but the gist is this... and then Rob is right... if you talk to the greatest experts of every era (not your Albanian friend Aeneas, of course), the best was Hailwood... get over it and don't insult those who have at least run a few races and understand more than all of us put together... and change your nickname, you don't deserve it!!!”
Don't generalise... there were those who considered the all-time number one to be worth it even when Rossi had only won 5 of his 9 titles...
Wayne Gardner, world champion in 500 in '87, and vice champion in '86 and '88, spoke of Vale in 2004 after the first victory of the Pesaro rider on Yamaha on his debut:
“You see Rossi racing and you're watching history being made. He is 20 – 30 percent higher than the other drivers, which is absolutely impressive at this level of competition….
…certainly Rossi is the greatest rider I have ever seen,”
Fatman send an email to this cheap pilot, and tell him that he knows very little about motorbikes... ^^
Here is the link to the complete article from a few years ago… :)
http://motograndprix.motorionline.com/2004/04/21/anche-wayne-gardner-consacra-valentino-rossi/
Aeneas
For Aeneas:
this is what I wrote further up on this page: "I have never liked Rossi's way of riding the bike.
This does not change the fact that although he is less talented than others...he has however won a lot...because in addition to being very good with the motorbike, he was also very good at getting on the right motorbikes at the right time (he himself describes it in his book as this or that mechanic wanted because he knew its value even before working on it...).
If we only talk about victories...the numbers are enough for Rossi.
If we're talking about pure talent, no.
Stoner, Schwantz, Spencer, Saarinen, Hailwood, Duke… they were definitely more talented than him.”
As can be seen from what I wrote...I certainly didn't say that Rossi is a talentless rider...(he has enormous talent in my opinion)...but I only said that these names written by me in my opinion had more talent in riding a motorbike, that's my opinion...
I don't know if the expression cheap pilot is referring to me...but know that if you don't specify that it wasn't...from now on I will ignore you...also because it would already be the second time you have offended me...I will also be a cheap pilot. 4 sous....but I have the Italian champion diploma with related FIM gold medal...I don't know if you have a bit of education instead.
Rob relax… ;)
I invited fatman to send an email to Gardner (the cheap pilot... irony this unknown) to tell him that he understands very little about motorbikes, given that like me and W_il_sic he considered Rossi one of the greatest if not the greatest of all time.
I have never disrespected you, any more than you have done on some occasions with other pro vale users, such as when, with a saying, you defined some of the users of this blog as idiots.
So you called me rude for no reason... ;)
Next time make sure you understand before attacking like that... ;)
Aeneas
For Aeneas:
First of all I apologize for the mistake in misunderstanding your post.
The users (I should say the user) you are referring to... deserve much more than what I wrote some time ago...
For me it makes no difference between those who are Rossi fans and those like me who support no one...
I respect everyone, and I demand respect in return.
I don't feel like asking for the moon...
If possible I would prefer to talk here only about racing-related things and that's it... and with people who can add something inspiring to the conversation.
I try to express my opinion, with respect for people and homes, and I would like others to do the same.
But I realize that here, or in these places (as you rightly wrote to me once here, but I still wasn't astute from that point of view) you said that in these places it's like this...sometimes people come up with the keyboard at its worst, writing things that surely if the other person were in front of him he would never say...at least I think...
Well, when you do this I prefer to abstain...or we talk about motorbikes and racing in a way that makes things make sense...or I prefer to stay silent.
I hope I never make the same mistake again with you Enea, I apologize once again.
Roberto
Apologies very accepted, and in any case congratulations for the title... ;)
We knew you were a pilot, now we also know that you were strong... ;)
Buona notte
Stephen:)
Aeneas:)
Don't worry, Enea, the user Robe is referring to is me, only because (maybe you don't know it) I once took the liberty of saying not to self-belittle his authority deriving from the fact of having raced a motorbike (and apparently also won important things) to often throw in denigrating concepts towards Rossi, as he still does.
Of course he is very good and VERY SMART, because he does it in a subtle, very subtle way and few realize it, but if he can throw shit at the Pesaro man he won't miss the opportunity.
But the IMPORTANT thing, and I CHALLENGE him to prove otherwise, I have NEVER insulted him, offended him, much less have I ever addressed him in a disrespectful manner!!!!!
I limited myself to pointing out that if any Troll of the many who populate this Forum writes certain things, it's one thing, if an Italian Champion with a FIM Medal and Certificate writes them, I find it absolutely out of place!
This is my GREAT OFFENSE to Rob, to whom among other things I addressed a sincere compliment and equally sincere thanks above, but instead he says that I deserve I don't know what nefarious epithets anymore...
@Rob, I don't know what problems you have with me, because the most offensive thing I wrote about you some time ago was that "if you really are a motorcycle champion you should be Super Partes". Point.
Among other things, an invitation that has also been extended to you by others here.
It seems that you see me as Pinocchio saw Cricket.
Unfortunately Jiminy Cricket also got a big hammer on the head and yet he was certainly not the worst or meanest character in the tale of Pinocchio.
Think about it…
W_il_sic
I thought you had clarified yourselves... in any case you are two balanced people, if you haven't done it you will soon do it... ;)
But did you take a look at the link I posted??! hihihihi ^^
Aeneas
Well... look Aeneas, I like Peace and NOT war, absolutely.
Some get angry over nothing, and I'm sorry, but in the specific case of Rob I repeat that I have never insulted him, even though he called me an idiot and actually said that I deserved worse... °_°
What do I do? Do I kill myself? so Fartman is happy? Never! ahahahaha ;-)
I totally agree with Rob when he says that if we all met at the bar maybe it would be a lot of drinking and big pats on the back, regardless of our motoring-driving beliefs... I'd like it to be that way.
I never had it against him and I don't have it now, maybe he's right that I'm an idiot (for not taking it out on myself).
But for me the IMPORTANT things are different. Many others!
If Rob wants to put a stop to it, I'm more than available...but, as the Americans say: it takes two to tango!
;-)
PS
I looked at the link! Thanks for dusting it off, it's a great piece of history!
But I don't think it will help the cause: those who are angry with Rossi have other reasons that have nothing to do with motorbike racing... unfortunately.
Rob
First of all, congratulations on the medal won.
I'll ask you a question (obviously like all questions it is not mandatory to answer).
Have you ever participated in the 125/250 world championship?
Maybe with a third place at the end of the standings in 125?
Thanks bye
I correct myself:
3rd place overall at the end of the world championship…