MotoGP Aragon: Valentino Rossi “It's always nice to get on the podium”
The Yamaha rider from Pesaro finished the Aragon GP in third place
Valentino Rossi, after an endless series of fourth places, managed to climb to the lowest step of the podium today. The Yamaha rider benefited from Pedrosa's fall, which occurred due to contact with Marc Marquez, which damaged his rear wheel traction control sensor. Valentino expected more from a performance point of view, given that both yesterday in qualifying and this morning in the warm up he went well. However, an incorrect tire choice penalized him. The word is up to him.
“You can never be disappointed when you get on the podium, but based on how testing and qualifying had gone I was hoping to stay closer to the leaders. Dani (Pedrosa, ed.) and I chose the hard tyre, while Jorge (Lorenzo, ed.) and Marc (Marquez, ed.) the soft, because I didn't feel comfortable with the soft and I thought I had made the right choice. At the beginning I thought I had made the right choice, because I was able to stay with them, then unfortunately Dani fell and I lost some time to avoid it. However, I would have struggled to keep up with their pace, the choice of the soft proved to be the right one. The tire then started to get worse and I was no longer able to keep up with them.”
How did the last lap go?
“It was fun, because I did it to death. Now we have to keep working because I want to get back to fighting up front."
In this regard, what is missing for you and what is Yamaha still missing to be at the level of Honda?
“I'm working at 110%, it's not true that I'm already thinking about next year. In this race, for example, I had good qualifying sessions and I'm not far from the leaders. I still miss “keeping up” with them, but we're working on it. The bike with the seamless gearbox has improved, but the Honda still has something more, especially in the engine when exiting corners and braking when entering. But now if I look at the telemetry I'm almost the same as Lorenzo."
You saw Pedrosa's fall, which seems to have been caused by the contact he had with Marc, what do you think?
“I was behind, I saw that Marquez came wide, but I didn't see the contact, it certainly won't please Dani”
Marquez has a 39 point lead at this point. Do you think the world championship is over at this point?
“I don't think so, now there are three races in a row and they are "heavy" both from a physical and psychological point of view. Of course there are many points, Marquez is strong but never say never."
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Well in my opinion Rossi pulled out all the stops today in conjunction with Pedrosa's crash, he knew he could finish third and he didn't take any more huge risks until the last lap in which he gave almost everything and actually fell back to under 1 ′ and 50″.
In my opinion, the soft tire performed as well as the hard one, given that Pedrosa set the fastest lap of the race and did it with the Dura and he was certainly there with the leaders until Marquez's mistake.
I think Rossi thought that Pedrosa had crashed because he was going too fast and beyond the limit and he didn't want to take any more risks, he knew he had more than the non-factory ones and he raced to save money.
Furthermore, Rossi was about 2 seconds behind Lorenzo when Marquez made Pedrosa fall, and Rossi left us a second to avoid Dani's bike, and without this fact he would have gotten quite close to Marquez at that time, but that wasn't the case. .
However, Valenti's change of pace is clearly visible from Pedrosa's fall, as he improved by 3 to 5 tenths per lap. In my opinion, given what had happened, Pedrosa wanted to play it safe and settle for third place, taking the minimum risks.
He certainly didn't have the pace of Lorenzo and Marquez or even that of Pedrosa, but he could have gone faster than he did.
Furthermore, this morning he was a lot faster, probably the rise in temperatures and the choice of tire had an influence of a couple of tenths on the time, the Yamahas had a drop and the Hondas improved but it can be quantified at 2 maximum 3 tenths on the lap, the other tenths taken by Rossi are at his behest.
If he really wants to stay with the leaders he will have to take even more risks throughout the race, and obviously he will have to get the technical choices right, if the hard instead of the soft really played a decisive role.
As often happens, I don't agree with your analysis of the race.
Not out of bias, let's be clear.
I will try to respond to your conclusions point by point.
I don't think that Vale gave up because he, like Bradl, Bautista and Crutchlow, had the same progression in their times. Only Marquez and Lorenzo remained constantly at 1.49, the "seconds" all lapped in 1.49 in the first laps, then stabilized at the low 1.50.
Vale's last lap (which made you assume that he could have lapped faster even before), was done in 1.49.9, while in the previous laps he lapped in 1.50.2 – 1.50.3 and Vale himself, in the interview , claims to have made the last lap “to the death”, in his words.
The soft tire on the front (everyone used the soft one on the rear) was chosen only for the feeling with the front and based on the set-up chosen, not to have a "significant" chronometric advantage which, as you noticed, it wasn't there, on the contrary, Pedrosa with the hard one, before falling he seemed able to leave his 2 rivals behind.
If it were true that Vale "had" more, you would have to explain to me why, with all his experience, he wasn't able to gain a prisoner advantage to drive in peace, instead of finding the gang following him until the end of the race and, without the last duel Bautista Vs Bradl.
If Bradl had attacked Vale when Bautista was 3rd and had made him lose time like in the Spanish, how would Vale's "tranquility" have been defined?
As far as I know, it's safe when you ride alone, when you have 3 riders behind you with whom you usually fight, you stay with them if you can't do better.
Let's start by saying that Vale left us a second by taking Lorenzo's reference, but even without Pedrosa's crash, he would have lost something anyway.
All the riders who were with Him slowed down (except Bautista), more or less.
Even if he had managed to catch up with Marquez, he still wouldn't have stayed with him, that's a "false problem".
He climbed like all the other riders who perform as well as him.
I'll say again: you don't start playing around with half a second more when you have 3 hungry riders on your tail. It is not the last lap that gives the measure of Vale's possibilities and I have already written above why.
If he could have gone faster, as you claim, I am of the opinion that he would have done so, at least until he had accumulated a certain advantage, not as happened on Sunday, with the risk of losing the podium at the last braking point.
Do temperatures only disadvantage Vale?
However, they said that the much feared increase in temperature occurred within acceptable limits, which did not "annoy" the Yamahas as feared.
In the morning he did 3 laps faster than those he did today at the start, then he lapped at race times. In the race he made the 2nd pass, 1.48.high which he had not done in the morning.
Vale has never managed to keep up with the best except for a few laps.
Vale is able to do 1, 2 maximum 3 laps on the times of the leaders and I don't think we should take those as an example to indicate the Pesarese's limit. His pace in the race was very similar to that of the WUP, considering that in the WUP you do about ten laps.
Vale, apart from the lap of the fall, lapped in 1.49.high, 1.50.low until the 12th lap.
Vale will not stay with the former, except in exceptional cases (as I have reiterated other times).
The technical choices, the tires used etc. they have no influence, because what he is doing is the best he can do and even taking more risks, I see it as really dark. He can take more risks, but only for some passages, only with "death turns", as he said yesterday in reference to the last passage.
Well look, I've been following Rossi for 15 years, a little less analyzing his races, I understand his way of racing quite well by now.
Rossi, a bit like Marquez, likes to be in brawls and in groups, they like body to body, and they like to see what their opponents can do and what their lines are, in order to learn, predict them and beat them and then in the final laps he takes the lead like many other drivers do.
If you think that Rossi gave 100% on the last lap you don't really understand what 100% is and what a lap made to avoid being overtaken is.
Rossi did a great last lap, but certainly not the fastest lap he could have done, it was the fastest lap he could have done, closing off any possibility of overtaking. Furthermore, Rossi didn't know where Bautista and Bradl were and for this very reason he closed all the doors to a possible attack and if you understood anything about racing, well you would know that the fastest lap is a lap in which you don't worry about closing any possible possibility of overtaking, but follow the ideal trajectories, the fastest ones, where you brake a little less late and you worry more about exiting corners, except that if you do it in the race precisely because you don't brake at the death you become an easy target in detached form.
Rossi has always raced like this when he's in a group and in front, he shoots but at a reasonable pace and in this race he didn't have to take excessive risks to make the podium. Rossi probably thought that Pedrosa had crashed through his fault and since he had the same tire choice as him and he knew it and he knew what the other 2 up front had, he thought that perhaps his solution wasn't a winning one and he could put him to risk, and since he is a tactical driver with a lot of experience he aimed to do the bare minimum without throwing away an easy third place.
If Rossi had continued to pull, Bautista and Bradl would have copied his lines and perhaps would have been with him anyway, furthermore he would have gotten tired, would have burned the tires more and in the last lap he would no longer have been able to make a difference. When you are in front you don't have to show your opponents the best lines, if you understood anything about racing you would know that teaching others your lines is the stupidest thing you can do in a race.
If you understood anything you would have seen Rossi's superiority over Bautista, given both by the rider and obviously by the official bike he rides.
Bautista was very tight while Rossi was extremely composed and had much more, he was much less at the limit and tactically he was perfect, because he attacked right before Bradl made his move, in short Rossi has experience, he didn't win because Case 9 World Cup knows how the drivers work and is able to predict their moves.
Then on your delusions about times let's leave aside Rossi's last lap before Pedrosa's crash was 1'49.768 and the lap before 1'49.519.
Furthermore, I would like to point out that in the Warm Up, you ride with the bike in race condition, maximum fuel load and you do a race test in which you don't risk everything, and if I understood correctly Rossi did it with the soft tire on the front.
This invention of the temperatures which had no influence on the Yamahas, I don't know where you got it from given that both riders including Lorenzo said that the rise in temperatures in the afternoon slowed down their bike, not a lot but especially for Lorenzo, decisively given that he was playing for victory.
In the chronology of the times it is clear that Rossi gave it up. Then what do you expect Rossi to tell you yes yes when Pedrosa fell I got scared and slowed down so as not to end up the same way? Or was I sure of third place and didn't want to take risks? Imagine if he would ever admit it, I don't think there are any drivers who would.
You may think you know Valentino as a guide, but what you just described is the "old method" that Valentino used.
Where did all Valentino's intentions to change address go? Are they no longer valid from this race? we go back to the old way after you tell us since the beginning of the year that he hasn't won because he isn't fast enough at the start and once he has all the possibilities (so it seems if he really had been able to be faster) and he throws it to the wind only because Pedrosa lay down in front of him (did he take the cagotto from him?)
For what you claim to be true (looking at the opponents, their lines etc.) he should have chosen to stay behind, which he didn't do.
Valentino's 110% in the last lap is not my interpretation, it is Valentino's exact words, in fact the "death lap" is also missing, again Vale's words.
There are 2 things
1) you think you understand, but you don't
2) Valentino talks bullshit even when he has to describe the race.
Choose from your 15 years of Valentinomania.
Put it however you want, but don't tell me that, if he really had it, he would have let Marc fly away without trying to gain a bit of an edge over his pursuers.
Gone are (by his own admission) the competitions where you can afford to "play".
Look at the WUP times, look at the race times and tell me how he could (even if he wanted to) run under 1.50. pace (because, if what you say is true, he should have lapped at least in 1.49.5/7 and with that pace you try to stay in front, at least not to let them run away too much, since you know that Marc can make another mistake ).
Barring old-fashioned miracles, the times he set in the past few days are the ones he set in the race.
You may think you know Valentino as a guide, but what you just described is the "old method" that Valentino used.
Where did all Valentino's intentions to change address go?
Vale used that system in 1v1 and for what you claim to be true (Looking at the opponents, their lines etc.) he should have chosen to stay behind, which he didn't do.
Valentino's 110% in the last lap, it's not my interpretation, it's Valentino's exact words, the "death lap" is also missing, again Vale's words.
There are 2 things
1) you think you understand, but you don't
2) Valentino talks bullshit even when he has to describe the race.
Choose from your 15 years of Valentinomania.
Put it however you want, but don't tell me that, if he really had it, he would have let Marc fly away without trying to gain a bit of an edge over his pursuers.
Gone are (by his own admission) the competitions where you can afford to "play".
Look at the WUP times, look at the race times and tell me how he could (even if he wanted to) run under 1.50. in step. Barring old-fashioned miracles, the times he set in the past few days are those he set in the race.
A reasonable step? he lapped in 1.50.0 – 1.50.1 how much would he have done if he didn't maintain a "reasonable pace"? 1.49.half maybe? right the pace of the best ne?
I'm missing a piece.
When I talked about last lap, I was referring to the last lap of the race where he lapped in 1.49.9
In the WUP he did 12 laps and in the race he did 12 laps (the first) on the same pace, at most 1 tenth of a difference (or do you want to tell me that he is so sensitive that he "controls the tenth).
The time was constantly increasing and I took 12 laps as the limit to go above 1.50. and so it was in the race.
Regarding temperatures, the words come from the commentators of Mediaset, Meda & co., they said it from the pits etc. (Enough?)
Did you read what I wrote about temperatures?
“They however said that the much feared increase in temperature occurred within acceptable limits, which did not 'annoy' the Yamahas as was feared.”
I didn't talk about any problem at all, I wrote... but read it, you understand perfectly what I meant and that's what Lorenzo confirmed.
No, it's not obvious, because the laps following Pedrosa's fall had the same timing as the respective WUP laps with the bike on full tank and full race performance, at most 1-2 tenths in some laps, but if you look at the times of the 4th,5th etc, you will notice what I wrote.
I'm not going to report them, you know where they are and you can easily make a comparison.
In my opinion, here Rossi has said many things that are not too close to the truth, but it's not something new, others do it too, see Lorenzo the last time he didn't say what he really changed in the Warm Up to be competitive.
I don't know who you listened to about the temperature problems, but Lorenzo especially complained about the problems he had with the tires and the grip this weekend and also the technical problems and also with the temperatures.
If there hadn't been any problems with the temperatures why do you think the first two opted for the soft one which has never and I mean never been used this year in a GP by the Top riders.
Are you crazy? What data did you read? In the Warm Up Rossi was faster than in the race, constantly under 1'50" and consider and I repeat that in the Warm Up you don't shoot at 100% like in the race. Furthermore, it seems to me that Rossi did it with the soft tire on the front although I'm not sure, given that the temperature was higher because they were running after nine in the morning.
I repeat, Rossi declared a 110% lap at the death or something similar, but what he meant was I did a fast lap, closing all the doors for possible overtaking, it wasn't the fastest lap that could have been done, the one who adopts that tactic is more Lorenzo and in fact he often got caught on the last lap.
Rossi changes his way of racing only if he knows he can play it, when he sees that he can't do it he wisely throws in the oars and takes the result at random without throwing away points, in fact apart from when he was knocked down by Bautista I it seems he always finished the races. Furthermore, it seems to me that he had crashed in a wet race at the beginning of the season and in any case had resumed the race, finishing in the points. Rossi risks everything just to try to win or at least try.
Here as I said there are several factors that negatively influenced his race, one of which is him thinking it was better to slow down and take home the podium.
How many duels has Rossi lost this year with Bautista? This is the question you have to ask yourself, and the answer is that it's better to duel with Bautista than to be a hare like Lorenzo and get reabsorbed and then goodbye. If Rossi could stay with the leaders he would, we'll see how he goes between now and the end of the championship, there has been an improvement in the last few races, we'll see if he continues like this, I honestly didn't expect to see him in such good shape at Aragon in practice, it's the race that disappointed, and in fact I was critical because he could and should have done better. We will see if the trend towards a slight improvement in performance in practice will continue and if in the race he will be closer, here in my opinion he was and he could have reached 6-7 seconds without Pedrosa's accident, but due to his will and because of the accident took 10 or something more.
Temperatures:
I talked about the temperatures at the time of the race, not throughout the weekend.
Meda talked about it shortly before the start with a connection to the pits at a later time.
Competition:
1.48.9
1.49.6
1.49.5
1.49.7
Fall
1.50.0
1.50.1
1.50.0
1.50.1
1.49.9
WUP:
1.49.3
1.49.1
1.49.3
1.49.7
1.49.6
1.49.7
1.49.8
1.49.9
1.49.9
Sufficient?
Read what I write better, the difference is minimal 1,2 tenths. (I'm talking about average, I'm not talking about lap).
Look at the lap he made on the 2nd pass.
Come on, you don't shoot, Vale did it, the times say this, he has never run with those times and he does them in a session in which he doesn't shoot.
Isn't saying that he seriously tried a new style, that of starting off strong straight away (as he had set himself) no longer coherent? No, the important thing is to find ways to explain the inexplicable.
First it was the move to Yamaha
then it was the tires (if I'm not mistaken).
We moved on to the weight
Coming to the temperatures.
There's more?
Death Ride:
Last lap, he already had a half-second lead, he fell back to under 1.50. and he would have done it by closing the holes because otherwise he would have been faster.
It's hard for me to believe it too.
That's not the question to ask, but:
“Why is Vale fighting with Bautista, Bradl and Crutchlow this year?
This is the question you should ask yourself, instead of chasing a different excuse every week.
There is no worse deaf person than someone who doesn't want to hear, listen, I didn't make excuses for Rossi, I criticized him period, because he should have done more in this race given the conditions, then if you are a stubborn person and don't understand the basics I can't do anything about this championship. It's been understood for a long time that Yamahas work better at low temperatures and Hondas work better at high temperatures.
If you then think that a Warm Up is as important as a GP, well, I don't know what to think.
Rossi battles with those behind because that's what he's struggled to do in the last 2 years, what did you expect, for him to recover 2 years of progress and unlearn how to ride, only seeing the lines of the slower ones he's with now and beating. I expected more from his season, but perhaps now I have also realized the progress that the 3 year old has made in recent years. Because if you remember a Pedrosa or a Lorenzo, Rossi beat them before, then you understand how much they have improved and how much Rossi has worsened. In my opinion, in general he has not worsened, he has remained at the same level or has improved slightly, so it must be the others who have improved and if you look at the times of 2 or 3 years ago and those of today, well there is a improvement so it is obvious that it is the others who have improved the most.
ronnie, I'll answer you at the bottom.
...I'm almost the same as Lorenzo...except for 12 seconds ahahahah...'a valenti' but vaff!
“…But now if I look at the telemetry I'm almost the same as Lorenzo.”
I don't think you know how to read...
To be precise, dear fatman, here is what he said:
“I can see it from the telemetry, the single lap difference compared to Lorenzo is not too great, in fact, in some points I'm faster”.
Vale can see the telemetry, we can only see the various split times and, at least from the latter in the race, it is not true that Vale is faster than Lorenzo in some points of the track.
In T1
Lorenzo laps in 31.3 – 31.4 for 8 laps in the first 12.
Vale turns in 31.3 (1), 31.4 (1) then turns in 31.5 – 31.7
T2
Lorenzo runs in 30.6 (2) 30.9 (2) 31.0 – 31.1 he keeps it until the end except for 14th and 20th
Vale laps in 30.8 (1) then 31.0 – 31.1 except in 9 laps
T3
Lorenzo laps in 21.2 (2) then laps in 21.3 – 21.4 until the end except for 14th
Vale turns in 21.2 (2) then turns in 21.3 – 21.5 except at 15th, 18th and 21st
T4
Lorenzo laps in 25.4 (2) then laps in 25.6 – 25.8 until the end without exceptions.
Vale laps in 25.4 (1) 25.5 (1) 25.6 (1) then laps in 25.7 – 25.8 except for 5 laps of which 1 in 26.0
NB: even in the times with the same tenth, Lorenzo still did better than Vale, the only moment in which Vale proved to be faster than Lorenzo was precisely in the top speed.
Lorenzo reached 334.5, Vale reached 337.7.
We know well that telemetry is not the same thing as watching the intermediates, but this helps us a little and to believe Vale's words, we have to think that it refers to a particular curve or in any case to very short sections.
Enough blindly believing, try to check if what he says may correspond to the truth or if there is something that doesn't add up.
I have already demonstrated several times that Valentino's words often refer to sporadic moments of races that cannot be taken as a yardstick.
Please don't "copy-paste" the same post again in which you claim to have closed ties with me, just do it. I don't ask for answers from those who don't want to give them, but I respond to anyone who writes things that I don't believe to be true.
...ligera, forget it...bcs is touchy and said he won't talk to you anymore...he's tough...I repeat: “'a valenti? But vaff”…you don't even have Jorghe's heel right now…the only thing that saves you is the fact that you're a wild card ahahahahah…by the way, ligera…you've seen that after a “decent” competition from the geriatrician there's no longer any talk about the kilo too much? What a shame... if I were them I would hide in the back of a butcher's shop to stuff myself with liver... Pesaro style, of course ahahahahahahah!!!
For me ligera, the forum relationship with you ends here.
It is clear that answering you is useless.
For me, replying to you was "annoying" after just a few of your replies.
You have demonstrated this in all our discussions.
Then:
Take good care of me.
fatman
You think about it on your own to make your level known.
Someone who wishes death to a pilot and to be mowed down….
What to say..
True.
It must be said that this time he had done everything right.
Nice qualifying, nice WUP, nice start.
Apologies from the past cannot be dredged up on this occasion, others are needed.
He accumulated 1.3 from Pedrosa (3rd) on the third lap, reaching 2.1 from Marquez (3rd) on the fifth.
The crash on the 6th lap had brought him 1.4 seconds behind Marquez (2nd), but in a few laps, by the eighth, he had already accumulated 2.8 seconds, in 3 laps he took another second and four tenths.
He didn't have it to stay with the leaders, he can do a few laps at their level (2-3) turning "at the death", but then he can't keep up that pace if he wants to get to the end.
The first post was for Fatman.
But…..Did he send me back the same old trick?
What the… and bcs!!! You're really tired. You don't want to answer me... Don't, save yourself the touchy child phrases please.
I will continue to answer whoever I want, whether there is an answer or not, but you bcs..... save yourself the effort to make an impression, you seem like the one who brought the ball to the pitch and who was put on the bench (because he was poor) he took the ball back and took it home.
YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK TO ME ANYMORE????
DO NOT DO IT!!!!!!!
For me ligera, the forum relationship with you ends here.
It is clear that answering you is useless.
For me, replying to you was "annoying" after just a few of your replies.
You have demonstrated this in all our discussions.
Then:
Take good care of me.
Come on, they still don't understand.
For me, the forum relationship ends here with you.
It is clear that answering you is useless.
For me, replying to you was "annoying" after just a few of your replies.
You have demonstrated this in all our discussions.
Then:
Take good care of me.
____
Apparently not.
For me, the forum relationship ends here with you.
It is clear that answering you is useless.
For me, replying to you was "annoying" after just a few of your replies.
You have demonstrated this in all our discussions.
Then:
Take good care of me.
_____
A, B, C, D, E.
For me, the forum relationship ends here with you.
It is clear that answering you is useless.
For me, replying to you was "annoying" after just a few of your replies.
You have demonstrated this in all our discussions.
Then:
Take good care of me.
________
well of course the podium is always nice especially if the person who gives you a life in seconds falls...
Certainly no one notices something very important:
the accident in Pedrosa (sudden and unexpected loss of traction control)
makes us understand how and how much MotoGP would be much more fun and above all it would enhance the rider's talent much more if there were NOT all this electronics that almost act as an autopilot, correcting all - or almost all - of the rider's mistakes!
Probably without the traction-control and all the other similar gadgets the podium would be constantly made up of Hayden, Rossi and Edwards, in the order you want... but it would be like this
With much less electronics they would be a little slower, but these bikes without electronics wouldn't be anyway, in the sense that the TC is one of many, but how do you remove the electronics from the injection, from the clutch, we would go back to 10 or 15 years ago but more powerful.
Furthermore, in my opinion, the winner would lose very often, mostly due to injuries, because in any case whoever takes the most risks ends up on the ground and perhaps suffers an injury.
Removing the electronics or a part of them with these powers is not wise, now there are a lot of riders who finish the races but there are still few bikes, without electronics it is a race of elimination in the sense that whoever is in the duel car eliminates until there are no drivers left separated by seconds who no longer take risks.
Well done Ronnie, I completely agree.
Holy words!!
traction control has saved many lives, even according to many drivers
Hi Ronnie,
Clearly mine was a utopian expression.
I didn't intend to invoke a drastic and radical abolition of all electronics, much less with the evolutionary parity of everything else on the bike!
And even more welcome is the safety of the pilot!!
It is clear that today's technology, led by electronics, produces samples with characteristics that are absolutely different from those of yesterday; but precisely for this reason, in my opinion, yesterday's champions still retain an incredible charm for their exploits performed on wild and almost indomitable horses.
Pedrosa's unfortunate accident simply reminded me of the times when the driver's talent was perhaps worth double, without traction control.
In a nutshell: I would find it romantic to go back to the old 500 2-stroke or even the very first MotoGPs, but with the maximum safety of today.
But I recognize that it is a somewhat paradoxical dream, but if we also stop dreaming... ;-)
PS have you seen that come and go, even a little thanks to me, have you finally managed to "seduce" Ligera?? Ahahahahaha
But now I advise you to turn to Father Amorth!
But not so much, he has another point of view, on some things he is right when he criticizes Rossi on others it seems a bit too biased to me :)
The problem with electronics is that it infiltrates everywhere and by investing relatively little you can do a lot.
It's an extra factor that guarantees those with more money can make a difference. In my opinion, Ducati is now losing almost everywhere and not just in terms of chassis.
I'm also torn between electronics or not but in the end, perhaps only the single control unit can level out the performance a bit, but in this way we would still reach F1 levels, put a limit here and then develop from there. Take Redbull, they invest millions in aerodynamic efficiency and although they wanted to simplify the wings a few years ago to reduce costs, today they still invent all sorts of colours.
I believe that there will never be a real leveling out, even reducing electronics does not take away the possibility of investing millions for those who have them.
I still agree!
Rossi “It's always nice to be on the podium”
especially if it's free and effortless. with pedrosa without an accident it was the usual 4th place at 12" behind which is 0,5" per lap. nothing has changed.
Free and effortless?
Ciccio, did you see the riders at the end of the race?
Even those who get 4/5 seconds per lap do it with an effort (physical and mental) that you can't even imagine...
Look at the technical data sheets of the motorbikes and if you have ever ridden something with two wheels, try to identify with them.
Apart from this, I agree, the podium arrived thanks to Pedrosa's fall, but Valentino also admitted it...
But since when is remaining standing a demerit?
Pedrosa fell for reasons not attributable to him, but who was behind Pedrosa, what should he have done? Fall retreat?
Racing is like this, you fall (for different reasons and causes) and you stand...
And those who are standing are good at staying there and bringing home a result...
As usual you show what character you are...
You still have to answer Stoner's statements... (Strange, after that you never show up again ahahhah)...
On with the insults… Now you will answer me that I am mentally ill, a wordsmith, under treatment etc etc…. We saw who was right and who was wrong...
Hi Inetto.
Apart from the fact that this time I think practically the same as you about the work that every driver does to bring home the race, but explain to me (maybe explain it in Mugello since you have closed ties with me) what is the need to offend the person who writes?
He expresses his own idea, you express yours, I don't understand why you have to "insulte", especially since in the end you even "call yourself" any invectives.
Are you going to look for them?
It's not just fans of other bikes and other riders who are "offensive" as you often complain, apparently it's not always you who are targeted.
…you're right, ligera…bcs? But wow…..so you learn ahahahahah!!!
For me, the forum relationship ends here with you.
It is clear that answering you is useless.
For me, replying to you was "annoying" after just a few of your replies.
You have demonstrated this in all our discussions.
Then:
Take good care of me.
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fatman
thank you
X bcs
Also here???? But do you sleep at night or are you afraid that I will reply to you in some post?
Come on, stop acting like a pantomime, stop talking to me, as you've been saying for a thousand thousand years and save yourself the trouble of copying and pasting, just do figures!!!!
All your talk!!!!!
You answer me again.
Let's see if you still have the perseverance to copy and paste the phrase which has now become ridiculous, given that you repeat it all the time, but then you are always there to write to me.
For me ligera, the forum relationship with you ends here.
It is clear that answering you is useless.
For me, replying to you was "annoying" after just a few of your replies.
You have demonstrated this in all our discussions.
Then:
Take care of me…
Come on, they still don't understand.
My name is not Ciccio, did I disappear from the forum so as not to answer you? RIDICULOUS !!!
have you done your share of insults? do you feel fulfilled behind a monitor? lucky you.
Do you want me to tell you that Crutchlow has the same bike as the 46? no I'm not saying that because it's NOT true and I don't think so. I don't think the interview and the translation by motosprint are truthful (I wrote it in the post you missed, you just had to read it).
If you think I'm inept, why do you keep reading my posts? I DO NOT read the posts of people who I consider unsuitable.
Stop the train Marco (I assume this is your name, given that it was your first nickname, and then you changed several…).
“Ciccio” is an expression like “bomber”, “boss” etc., not an insult….
For the insults... I don't think I need to remind you (even if you're turning a deaf ear now...) who started writing (luckily I don't hear the voices), "you're mentally ill", "you need to be put under treatment" etc etc …
And I didn't reply, well... After a while I got bored and I used the same method as yours (mistakenly, of course), just to make you understand that receiving gratuitous insults (on a SPORTS forum) and from people who don't know each other, doesn't it's really pleasant.
In certain races (not the very first ones) Cal had the same material available as the two factories, as his treatment was semi-official, despite his being a contract with Tech3.
I try (if possible) to read everyone, if someone writes they deserve to be read (not always to tell the truth...).
It's simply that since Stoner's interview came out you no longer write the same thing in every post….
Hi Ciccio (come on, see it as an idea for your next nickname :)).
____
For me, the forum relationship ends here with you.
It is clear that answering you is useless.
For me, replying to you was "annoying" after just a few of your replies.
You have demonstrated this in all our discussions.
Then:
Take good care of me.
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http://www.theracingtribune.it/copertina/cructhlow-la-mia-yamaha-a-lentaqualcosa-non-torna-3651
and since this has been the situation for a few races, could it be so as not to ridicule the protégé more than necessary? Yes of course.
I recommend one.
Be careful when reporting other links, you can be banned for 1 day (it happened to me a few days ago).
Put the title, at least you avoid the ban.
Else…
I believe that the problem is Cal rather than Yamaha (read the interview on this site about how Lorenzo uses the bike).
He's had major forearm problems, and (I think) his mind is already on Ducati.
A bit like Stoner when he declared his retirement... Simply because mentally you are oriented towards something else.
It's obvious, then, that the new gearbox won't arrive at Cal (he changes teams, and furthermore this gearbox is in the embryonic stage, that is, to adapt it to the engines in use they had to sacrifice some things) and that he had some problems with the new engine …
But this is not new at Yamaha either...
Previously an entire stock of engines was recalled (after a problem by Jorge if I'm not mistaken)…
I don't think Yamaha is damaging one of its important customers.... Otherwise the contract falls apart... There are precise clauses on this topic...
I don't think Stoner's statements were "sensational"... On the contrary... Maybe it's the least important (and most obvious) thing he said...
the problem that fell through no fault of his….
bibo
Who wrote the opposite?
If a rider in front of you falls (if you read above, I also already wrote about it, for various reasons), what should the person behind do?
Retire?
Fall?
....
Mugello, fatman, H, and anyone who wants to respond:
since bcs (kids...who's dancing!!!) doesn't want to talk to me anymore, ugly and dirty little Ducati fan,
I ask for clarification:
Which "sensational" revelations from Stoner is the bcs friend referring to?
Since apparently Mugello would have gone into hiding rather than respond to his friend BCS, it must be something sensational... Or not?
I must have missed something. I certainly haven't read everything about Stoner, but I don't think I've read any "bombs" coming from Stoner aimed, I don't know, at Ducati perhaps?
Could this be the “advice” given to Crutchlow?
ligera, I didn't understand what he was referring to, eh?!
Hello.
Which "sensational" revelations from Stoner is the bcs friend referring to?
http://motograndprix.motorionline.com/2013/09/11/motogp-casey-stoner-potrei-tornare-se-tolgono-lelettronica-e-aumentano-i-cavalli-con-la-ducati-di-rossi-io-avrei-ottenuto-risultati/
Stoner's interview with motosprint
In the Motograndprix interview, I already answered the guy who doesn't want to talk to me, as far as Motosprint is concerned I haven't read it.
The gap is always about half a second per lap and at the end of the race he is always fourth (today I don't consider the podium to be true)…
But, perhaps it is a fan's optical illusion, they are getting closer and progressing. The commitment is there and cannot be denied (not even the detractors).
He had done everything perfect, even the warm-up. If he had shot as he did in the morning with the top 3 or so far less distant.
He got the wrong tire and this time I'll pass it to him.
Hopefully :), one more up front would be nice
To tell the truth, none of those who don't "love" Valentino said that he wasn't committed on Sunday, but it was the Vale fans themselves who underlined it, even if he gave everything for me, as he himself says, even speaking of 110%. . Of course with motorbikes, the percentages have a completely different meaning.
He didn't make the wrong tyre, he used the one that gave him the most confidence and the times he set were in line with those of the WUP.
In the morning he did the first 3 laps in 1.49.3, then moved to 1.49.mezzo until reaching 1.49.alto. In the race he did even better, 1.48.9, then he lapped in 1.49.mezzo and reached 1.50.basso. The difference of 1 tenth per lap (1.49.9 versus 1.50.0) cannot make one cry out for the wrong tyres.
Furthermore, as you well know, the hard tire mentioned refers to the front, while everyone had the soft at the rear. Choosing the soft or hard for the front does not depend on wanting to be faster, but on the sensations you have on the front, given that the hard supports better than the soft and the latter certainly did not offer the same guarantees of durability.
Pedrosa (hard in front) was with the first 2 and, if he hadn't crashed, he had the possibility of passing Lorenzo and leaving.
Ronnie, I'll start by pointing out that I don't think I've ever offended you, I've never called you a "bighead" or "incompetent", my "delusions", my "understanding" racing etc..
I may have used "colorful" phrases, but never offensive and never personally offensive.
For all those who have objections to my alleged offenses in the posts, just report the offending sentence, so we can clarify it "face to face".
You "criticized" Rossi for not having given what you thought he could give. Nothing else.
You deduced this from the change of pace that occurred after Pedrosa's fall.
The rest were a series of justifications.
In order I report the following sentences of yours, leaving out all the "nice" references to my understanding of the various moments of the weekend:
1st post:
“In my opinion, given what had happened, Pedrosa wanted to play it safe and settle for third place, taking the minimum risks.”
I don't interpret this sentence as an accusation against you, but put like this, it sounds more like a justification to me also because it's not true that you took minimal risks, but okay, let's continue.
“the rise in temperatures and the choice of tire had an influence of a couple of tenths on the time, the Yamahas had a drop and the Hondas improved”
Before saying that Hondas have improved, while Hondas have not, I would advise you to look at the history carefully.
The choice of tire was dubious for Marquez and Lorenzo.
They mounted it precisely because the temperatures were not excessively high, otherwise they would not have finished the race. That of Pedrosa and Vale was a more conservative choice, dictated by the setting used and their "conviction" and confidence, the soft supports less when braking and the front can become problematic as the revs increase.
“obviously he will have to get the technical choices right, if the hard instead of the soft really played a decisive role.”
It's not a question of "getting it right", as you write, Vale has experience on his side. These two sentences are contradictory.
The soft and hard did not play any decisive role, you yourself write that Pedrosa kept (greatly I might add) the pace of the leaders with the hard. In this case, hard and soft (especially at the start of the race where the gap should be maximum), there was no difference.
2st post:
“It's nice to see what your opponents can do and what their lines are, so you can learn, predict and beat them and then in the final laps you take the lead like many other drivers do.”
I can also understand (since Vale has always done this), but then you can't write
"Furthermore, Rossi didn't know where Bautista and Bradl were and for this reason he closed all the doors to a possible attack."
If he has to see the trajectories, he will also have to know where they are and if he doesn't know, it means that what you wrote does not have a precise logical basis.
Furthermore, can you explain to me how he doesn't know where his rivals are, but at the same time blocks their paths? The track was pretty wide I think.
“Rossi did a great last lap, but certainly not the fastest lap he could have done, it's the fastest lap he could have done, closing off any possibility of overtaking.”
Precisely. Especially since he knew he had them as close as before, not only that, but Vale himself states it, he made the last lap "at the death", as the chrono also says. He dropped by almost 5 tenths from the previous lap, but you maintain that he continued to pay attention to closing. How much would he have done if he had actually taken the plunge?
“since he is a tactical driver with a lot of experience he aimed to do the bare minimum without throwing away an easy third place.”
With that mother attached to her butt? If she had had a little more, she would have at least tried to detach them, but nope.
“In the last lap he would no longer be able to make the difference.”
But how, now he made the difference in the last lap, closing the lines?
Do you understand that this is a bit "contrary" to what you have argued so far?
“Rossi's superiority over Bautista, given both by the rider and obviously by the official bike he rides.”
Raise your hand if you have seen the "superiority".
“Furthermore, I would like to point out that in the Warm Up, you ride with the bike in race condition, maximum fuel load and you do a race test in which you don't risk everything, and if I understand correctly Rossi has made with soft rubber on the front.”
Just like you start a race, with maximum fuel load.
I have reported the times of the WUP and the first laps, compare them and you will see that there is a maximum 2 tenths difference.
It's logical that you don't risk it all, but from the times it's obvious that he pulled, just as he intended to do in the race too without succeeding, not because of the tyre, because you've already said (Pedrosa) that you don't it was significant.
3st post:
Here, as I said, there are several factors that negatively influenced his race, one of which is him thinking it was better to slow down and take home the podium.”
Exactly, there were several factors. You see what I mean by “excuses”, finding others responsible, when in reality they don't exist.
From the last post, read that:
“Rossi battles with those behind because that's what he's struggled to do in the last 2 years, what did you expect, him recovering 2 years of progress and unlearning how to ride, only seeing the lines of the slower ones he's with now and beating.”
and a few lines below read:
“In my opinion, in general he hasn't gotten worse, he has remained at the same level or he has improved slightly”
Well, I have a few comments to make, you understand right?
I'll summarize the discussion on temperatures here.
Temperatures of the following races, I'll let you guess where Lorenzo won.
Please note the temperatures and say how many times they complained about the "high" temperatures.
Ha, your sentence is missing from the last post:
“It's been understood for a long time that Yamahas work better at low temperatures and Hondas work better at high temperatures.”
Aragon the race on Sunday:
Air: 23° Humidity: 43% Soil: 30º
Misano:
Air: 24º Humidity: 56% Soil: 31º
Silverstone:
Air: 18º Humidity: 55% Soil: 29º
Sherry:
Air: 27º Humidity: 38% Soil: 47º
Mugello:
Air: 21º Humidity: 62% Soil: 42º
Catalonia:
Air: 31º Humidity: 29% Soil: 52º
Sachsenring:
Air: 23º Humidity: 48% Soil: 42º
Laguna Seca:
Air: 23º Humidity: 48% Soil: 49º
Ligera, but you're exhausted, enough with these long-winded answers in which you say the complete opposite of everything, and extrapolate random sentences to reconstruct a film of your own, maybe I explained myself badly, or you purposely misunderstand.
Well, if you get offended, I can't do anything about it, but it seems like you purposely say and support theses that are far-fetched and repeat them even to the point of exhaustion.
I criticize Rossi's race because in the Warm Up and in Practice he went much better than in the race, in terms of times, I didn't expect him to finish the race with the top three, and I had written it, but I would have thought that he would have finished only 5-7 seconds and I think it was within his possibilities, but in my opinion Pedrosa crashed and with third place guaranteed, he took it easy.
For me it's not a justification, it's a fact and a criticism, even if in the end he still finished third. Rossi has become an accountant so well we have to accept him as he is after all he only has his experience and he is the professional so if he acts by probability perhaps he is right, I would prefer to see him more combative like Marquez and never give up, but he too is his age and has overcome that phase.
As far as temperatures are concerned, it is useless to cite data from previous GPs at random, because you don't know what asphalt they have compared to Aragon and what tires they brought, because although there are always only 2 compounds that those from Bridgestone bring for each GP for the MotoGP there are different compounds which, depending on the circuit, are more or less soft.
In any case, the performance that causes the slowdown with lower and higher temperatures is given by the rear tire, not the front. The front gives you more or less feeling when braking and cornering, but it doesn't wear as much as the rear where all the power is released. I know that the temperatures weren't high, I also said it, but you extrapolate things at random, I said that if there were no problems with the girp and the temperatures why did they ever use the soft tire on the rear. I didn't say that it was too hot but that the higher the temperature the better the Hondas are and the Yamahas are worse, but you like to misunderstand everything as you like.
In previous posts I said that the front tire and the increase in temperatures can be 2 or 3 tenths per lap in terms of performance and that is the slowdown experienced by Rossi and Lorenzo compared to the Hondas.
In the Warm Up Rossi didn't challenge the limit like when he tried to keep Pedrosa and Maruqez in the race, yet in the race he was slower, so the temperatures must have played something and perhaps and I repeat perhaps the choice of tire and also Rossi has his faults because he was noticeably faster in the morning, especially in the first laps.
I never said that the choice of tire certainly had a negative influence on Rossi's first part of the race. That's what he says, not me. I threw it out there as a hypothesis, but given what Pedrosa did with the hard on the front, I don't think it was decisive.
Then okay, you keep cutting out the parts where I criticize, okay, do as you like, let's see what other misunderstandings you want to spread.
Oh but who did you take from those of certain Italian newspapers and certain TV news editorial staff who cut phrases and phrases at will only to interpret them in your own way and to your liking?
Then on the loophole it seems to me that I have explained and re-explained myself very well, but you continue to not want to see what I wrote and to reinvent everything.
Fast LAP, you don't worry about closing lines, you take the best trajectories, you don't delay braking but you anticipate exits.
Fast LAP in which you close all the doors, go as fast as you can, closing all the braking sections and protecting with more internal trajectories and if you can do it you also plan to overtake by crossing the trajectories if someone comes alongside you.
Precisely because Rossi didn't know that behind them they were fighting and breaking away, even if that's probably what he's worried about, he gave him the lead but closed all the doors. Do you want an example of a lap in which you give everything and close all the doors, go and look for Rossi's first race in South Africa with Yamaha in 2004 when he won by beating Baiggi, that was a death lap by his admission, and perhaps Biaggi set the fastest lap of the race right on the last lap following Rossi, Rossi didn't set the fastest lap but he won because he kept the most defensive lines in fact Biaggi wasn't even able to attack him, that's a death lap without being attacked because you close the doors and you win, but you do it on the last lap not in the middle of the race and repeat it lap after lap, because in that case a good opponent understands the lines and the weak points and sooner or later finds a way to pass you too if you keep defensive trajectories. So Rossi did his homework until the final laps, riding more slowly and then giving the lead as he always did when he wasn't sure he could get away from his rivals. As I have already written, it often doesn't pay to be a hare, you get tired, your tires go out and you end up like Lorenzo, so tactically Rossi did the bare minimum to be sure of winning.
Then if you still don't want to see Rossi's superiority but admit that he lapped half a second faster when he wanted the inconsistent one, it's you. If you don't understand the difference between an official Yamaha and the one Bautista has, you're the one who doesn't want to see the evidence and if you don't understand the difference between a rider like Rossi and Bautista, it means that you still understand very little about the world championship.
I completely understand that the length of my posts is an incredible "ball".
The problems are different.
1) The first is that I don't have the "gift" of synthesis.
2) The second is that I really enjoy writing.
3) I try, when possible, to insert "numbers" (times, temperatures, etc.), to "strengthen" the concepts expressed, to make it clear that what I write does not derive from "sensations", but is the result of reasoning ( whether it's wrong or right)
4) In the answers, I tend to clarify all possible aspects
5) I always try to be as exhaustive and clear as possible and to do so, I find it necessary to write a lot, otherwise only the concepts would remain, without clarifying the "why" of these concepts.
Well no, it's not a question of: "if you get offended".
Anyone would feel offended if you get personal, especially with the string of "expressions" you've thrown at me during this chat.
I understood that you expected more from Vale and that, in your opinion, he didn't express himself to the fullest.
But you immediately added that there were other "variables" that penalized him.
You accuse Vale that he could and should have done more, then corrects himself by writing that these "variables" penalized him. Do you understand why it seemed ambiguous to me?
Third place…..You are repeating the same concepts that I have already clarified above.
It wasn't calm at all.
There were four of them fighting for the podium.
Against a single opponent, a tactic like the one you described may have its "why", against 3, it is not so simple and clear which is why I don't think that 3rd place was "quiet".
From my point of view (also based on the times), Vale doesn't have enough to stay with the first 3, the bike doesn't count, the "variables" don't count, Vale, for the whole of 2013, has demonstrated that, without very particular cases, there's no podium.
Temperatures: I didn't report the GPs at random, if you feel like checking, you'll notice that this isn't the case.
No one ever talked about asphalt (you do it now), not the type, not when they were redone, not anything, just temperatures.
You cannot, arbitrarily, find other "variables", difficult to verify, to make your reasoning "run".
In other GPs, with significantly higher temperatures, Yamaha won.
The Honda (I haven't checked everything), didn't win with such high temperatures.
For me it follows that your reasoning: high temperatures good for Honda, bad for Yamaha, is not correct.
It's true that I extrapolated some points, but I took care to keep the concept unchanged, where I was able, I reported the entire sentence.
What follows is the concept you expressed in the post above on the topic.
I brought it back to clarify.
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In any case, the performance that causes the slowdown with lower and higher temperatures is given by the rear tire, not the front. The front gives you more or less feeling when braking and cornering, but it doesn't wear as much as the rear where all the power is released. I know that the temperatures weren't high, I also said it, but you extrapolate things at random, I said that if there were no problems with the girp and the temperatures why did they ever use the soft tire on the rear. I didn't say that it was too hot but that the higher the temperature the better the Hondas are and the Yamahas are worse, but you like to misunderstand everything as you like.
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Answer:
In the entire chat it is the first time you distinguish the rear and the front, on the contrary, I immediately talked about this detail.
The soft rear tire was used by everyone. Only Marc and Lorenzo had opted for that type.
Having said that, every time you talk about differences (tyre topic), you are referring to the front because it is the only difference that was present in the race.
What you wrote in the first 3 lines up to the point are the same things I wrote in previous posts.
No, you didn't say that the temperatures weren't high (reread), you clearly made it clear.
What you claim to have said is not even true, your words were the following:
“If there hadn't been problems with the temperatures why do you think the first two opted for the soft one which has never and I mean never been used this year in a GP by the Top riders.”
This is what you wrote, no mention of the rear tyre, in fact, in other places you specified "soft on the front", also because the soft on the rear has often been used.
You wrote:
“It's been understood for a long time that Yamahas work better at low temperatures and Hondas work better at high temperatures.”
I have reported the races with their temperatures to make you point out that what you claim to have understood a long time ago is not at all true.
The slowdown that you say occurred on the Yamahas is the same that occurred on the Hondas, furthermore, if it were as you claim, the slowdown should have only occurred for Vale and not for Lorenzo, they didn't have the same tyre.
When I report times, even breaking, I don't do it because I enjoy wasting time, but because, when I support an argument, if possible, I strengthen it with numbers.
Put it as you want, but Valentino, in the WUP, did a simulation of what his first laps of the race should be like and he did it with commitment (since it is precisely at that moment of the race that he says he needs to improve).
You didn't say anything "safe", God forbid, but by listing all these "extenuating circumstances", the concept that "gets across" is that Valentino, for the umpteenth time, was not with the leaders, mostly due to problems beyond his control. He and just because Pedrosa lay down and was calmly on the podium, he didn't commit as he should and this is not true at all.
On cuts:
The complete sentences are just above, it is not difficult to trace the origin.
I did everything possible not to alter the concepts, cutting out what (in my opinion) was superfluous for what was being talked about. I know I write too much, you say it all the time, but when I try to cut, I come across as a person who does it to distort the meaning.
That's not true at all, just go up and read the sentences in full.
You explained yourself about the death ride, but if I insist it's because your explanation has no concrete reference.
The rivals were several tenths behind, they were not attached to Him.
He did the last lap, lowering the average he had up to that point by half a second, in addition to Valentino's direct words, but in this case they don't suit you.
How can you seriously believe that Vale made that turn by closing the spaces?
Since you are an expert (with all your people: if you really knew etc.), then you will certainly know that a rider has a clear perception of the rival who is attached to him at the rear, just as you will know perfectly well that if the rival breaks away, in addition to the giant screens (are they still there?) the pilot perceives it.
Vale was in front, with a clear perception of where the others were.
Vale knows when it's time to close the lines or when you have to shoot for the kill.
In the case you reported, Vale also set the record, beaten immediately afterwards by Biaggi by very little.
Max couldn't attack him because Vale was too fast.
If Vale had run in defence, they wouldn't have set the race record and Max would have at least attempted to overtake, but instead he didn't even manage to try.
I'll say again that Vale did that lap at his best, it was impossible for him to maintain those conditions for multiple laps, as he has demonstrated throughout the year.
Vale is not superior to Bautista, Crutchlow or Bradl, he is just more consistent. He's been fighting with one or the other in turn all year.
Vale is almost always there, they alternate. Similar performances, but Valentino's consistency is rewarded.
So you're starting to overdo it. I'm writing to you again that I never get personal with similar epithets.
“don't want to see”, “you don't understand”, “you don't understand the difference”, “you still understand very little.”
Do you want to keep making it personal?
Inconsistency: Do you know the meaning?
I have explained to you over and over again the reason for the last lap.
I don't do what you do, write something, and then change it later to make the following reasoning flow.
Then we wonder why he has to express the same concepts over and over again.
Each GP has its history, its tyres, its circuit, its asphalt, its weather conditions, its top riders, its favorite bikes, its experience that they have carried with them for years.
I tell you and I repeat that with higher temperatures whatever the tyres, the Hondas work better, while with lower temperatures the Yamahas work better. I also remind you that over the course of a season a lot of things change on the bikes, for example until recently the seamless was not available on the Yamahas and for this very reason the rear was overheated and damaged more over the race distance, furthermore the rider was getting more tired, and perhaps this also helped Rossi who, perhaps given his age, finds it more difficult to keep up with the pace of the first three who have it a few years younger.
There are many reasons if Rossi doesn't keep up with the pace of the leaders, one for sure is him and his attitude. Many hypotheses can be made but often they are just bar talk because we don't actually know how Rossi feels and what he can or cannot do on a race weekend.
Is Rossi more consistent? Obviously you don't become world champion if you aren't one, but Rossi is not only consistent he is also fast, not as fast as the leaders now, but he is also good at preparing for races and is slowly getting back into shape even in qualifying even on circuits like this one in which it had certainly not been in great shape previously. Rossi is a good rider, and has been a very good rider before.
Now I honestly don't see rear-view mirrors on the bikes, which is why riders often turn around to understand where their opponents are, because with the time table they don't always manage to understand what situation they are in. Furthermore, if the pilot really knew where his adversaries are at all times, why would he ever need to look around or read the tables? As much as they are phenomena, I don't see the eyes on the back of his head and I believe that like every human being, their field of vision always be that.
A good driver, if he studies his opponents and studies himself, understands their and his strong points and their and his weak points. Rossi has a great vision of the race, he is a professional rider, and even when he is a reporter he makes you understand that he studies and knows others, and I believe that almost all champions who are passionate about the sport they practice can do this.
I remain with my opinion as I maintain it, if you can watch Rossi's lap again and watch any lap whether it be Rossi's or that of other riders when they do a lap without caring about who follows them, you will realize that the trajectories are different, even on on a circuit like Aragon there are only a few advantageous lines and often if you go too far off line you find yourself faced with a poorly rubberized or dirty track and you risk challenging the limit in those conditions. There are drivers who are more effective in taking over the entire track and thus already make it difficult for you to overtake.
If I understand correctly you say that there were 3 other riders besides Rossi who could fight for the podium in the final laps, in my opinion there were only 2, Bautista and Rossi. Crutchlow was on the hook while Bradl didn't have as much as Bautista. Rossi was the most likely for third place, he had an official one, he was good in the final laps, and he attacked at the right time.
Then there is the detail that Rossi rides an Official Yamaha which if ridden by Lorenzo arrives 10 or 12 seconds earlier, for me it was obvious that Rossi won the duel, he is happy but as a fan I am not. For me Rossi will almost always if not always win the duels with these guys, because he has the means to do it and if he wants and takes risks he exploits them and beats them, but beating Bautista or Bradl or Crutchlow is certainly not the goal of Rossi, but stay with the leaders, I say at least stay with the leaders or try, don't aim for a duel with other riders who are less successful than him and with means that are often inferior if not always.
I tell you and I repeat that with higher temperatures whatever the tyres, the Hondas work better, while with lower temperatures the Yamahas work better.
By this I mean that if the temperatures rise the Hondas improve and the Yamahas worsen, not that in any case the Yamahas cannot win with high temperatures, but that with lower temperatures the gap from the Hondas would be greater, in turn with higher temperatures if the Hondas are in front, they will make more of a difference.
In this case, in the morning at Aragon Rossi set the best time, while Marquez had done well almost with Rossi's time, but in the afternoon Rossi worsened his time, while Marquez set a time in the race that he did not set in the warm up . This means that perhaps Marquez has improved the bike, Rossi has not, and that Rossi, even taking the same or more risks, went slower. This demonstrates the fact that if the temperatures rise, the Yamahas lose competitiveness and the Hondas gain.
What it means?
Of a circuit with 52° degrees of asphalt, whatever the type of asphalt, and whatever "whatever you want", we can say only one thing, it is hot, very hot, or that the temperatures are high, very high.
So, Ronnie, with the high temperatures, the Yamaha won (52° of asphalt).
According to your reasoning, if the 31 degrees of Aragon had been there, Yamaha would have… would have lapped them?
I also told you to check.
You can say whatever you want, but chatter is zero, the thermometer says so.
The Yamaha is good even with high temperatures, there is little you can do, even if it doesn't suit you.
What age are you talking about? Please.
Is Rossi's attitude not the "right" one, even though he rides his favorite motorbike?
Rossi's attitude isn't the right one, because Lorenzo is beating him up.
Rossi's attitude isn't the right one because the Honda riders are beating him up.
Rossi doesn't keep up with their pace because he doesn't perform as well (I didn't want to write "good" instead of performing).
Rossi, I've been writing this since mid-2012, goes (will go in 2012) on the podium in exceptional cases.
What you see as "getting back into shape" are impromptu moments lasting one, 2 days, a weekend, no more.
There are many expressions of thought on what Vale was previously.
I must say clearly that since Vale moved to Ducati, many doors have opened for me.
The pilots turn around when the opponent is far enough away.
When they have it attached to their butt, they "see" it and "feel" it even by looking under their arm, seeing the shadow, even hearing its noise.
Furthermore, there are (at least there were) giant screens and many times the pilot was heard claiming to have looked there.
Rossi didn't study anyone on Sunday.
You cannot speak in an abstract sense: "a good pilot if he studies....".
We're talking about what Vale did on Sunday in the race, not what should be done in a broad sense.
You “must” maintain your opinion. I'm certainly not the one who wants you to change it. I'm just looking for an exchange of ideas, of views. I know that as a fan I can be tempted to see the races in a certain way, but I seek the exchange of ideas and information, precisely to be able to be as objective and coherent as possible. Then I can't, but I try anyway.
But have you seen them again by any chance? Maybe do it, you know how it is, the first impression is sometimes not the right one, especially if you already start with a certain conviction in your head.
You see a race in 2D (on TV), you barely hear the noise and you think you know what's going on under his helmet?
I watch the races. I look at the times. I hear what those directly involved say.
From here I leave (I don't arrive) to understand what happened.
was yours short???
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no no, I almost never am, but I'm not there to withdraw line by line every time if I tell you something that's how I think it's useless to try to make me change my mind or re-analyze everything. I don't respond continuously to such long answers, wasting a lot of time understanding them, rewriting and trying not to make mistakes, which I always do, even if I sometimes double-check.