MotoGP, Ducati Misano test: Valentino Rossi “I really liked the new swingarm”
Hayden promotes the evo chassis brought to the track yesterday by Rossi
We continue to work tirelessly at Ducati. As written yesterday, the two official drivers and test driver Franco Battaini took to the track today at Misano, while Andrea Iannone remained in the pits. He had been called up in the event of the American driver's withdrawal, still dealing with the pain in his right hand caused by the fall in Indy qualifying. In the end Kentucki Kid gritted his teeth promoting the new evo frame while Rossi promoted one of the two new features brought.
“It was a good day: we tried a frame with different stiffness but, honestly, I didn't like it that much – said Valentino Rossi – It was better from some points of view but worse from others so in the end it wasn't a step forward . Then we tried a different swingarm, which I really liked because it helps me a little in acceleration and makes the bike more stable when exiting corners. So of the two innovations, one worked. We will use it at Aragon and see if there too, on a different track, we can confirm these good sensations."
“In order not to force things too much, today we only did two outings, one with the bike I used in the race and one with the new chassis. It was positive to be able to get an idea of it – added Nicky Hayden – I was able to perceive the differences more than I expected and certainly the "feeling" is better, it gives me more confidence because the "grip" during braking is better and consequently, so is "turning". I think it's a step in the right direction and I'm happy with the work done by Ducati in this sense. I will probably have to increase the stiffness of the fork spring a little but in any case it is already a positive "step". I am satisfied and in Aragon we will start working on the set-up.”
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Well…, in short…, they could let Iannone go too.
The priority is the 2012 official riders but Niki gave a positive opinion on the feeling, turning and grip when braking, noting improvements so... let him recover 100% use of his hand for Aragon and let Iannone ride too.
It seems interesting to me: yesterday I inserted part 1 GP12Evo with the modifications, this is the second part.
This is not a provocation to those who claim that the credit goes only to Rossi but, just to understand more..., here they talk about it and there are photos.
http://manziana.motocorse.com/blog/32940_Misano_test_Gp12_evo_seconda_parte_update.php
Important: I mean for those who claim that the "credit for yesterday's podium belongs only to Rossi"
@Vecchio Lupo and TONIKART, if you have read the article, do you agree that the changes mentioned could have made a bit of a difference?
Beyond Vale's good day, beyond the track (they all had problems anyway) and favorable variables, what do you think?
For example, allow me the heresy, I see Ducati very well; maybe I'm making a big deal but if yesterday they all had front-end problems (let's forget about the tests at Misano for a moment) and the Ducati suffered much less..., isn't that news anyway?
Niky himself says he is satisfied because he feels better on the motorbike (and has a fractured hand).
@W_il_Sic and Testoner: I'd also like to have your opinion, if you like.
Sorry if I put you close together but in my opinion you are both smart and competent ;-) ;-)
Hi Lyon66, unfortunately on TV you can't see a small modification to the bike badly, of course Valentino rode like in the old days, and when a rider is in good shape he makes the bike look good too! He didn't let anyone get close to him and he arrived 4/5 seconds behind Lorenzo. It must be said, however, that Lorenzo lapped calmly, with a nice safety margin, so much so that his fastest lap was much slower than in practice. I would like to know if Rossi he was more or less fast than last year throughout the race, but come on, let's enjoy the nice podium in peace!!
there is a continuous evolution and the values in racing can change, let's wait for a few GPs and see the true potential of the latest Ducati evolution, I have always been convinced that Valentino could not even have a punctured tire with a delay of 1,7 seconds so if he has changed mentality because honestly it's fine, don't push because you don't think your vehicle is competitive but in addition to not continuing the development of the bike, you're also harming yourself if that light in your eyes, the one that makes you overlook the problems, remains 'Between now and the end of the year, Ducati will certainly be further ahead...'
the modifications….mmmm…..there are modifications which have the sole purpose of trying to improve performance while others are aimed at optimisation……impossible to understand from the photos whether those modifications have brought any benefits otherwise it would mean that to make a motorbike it would be enough a Nikon :-)
@Tonikart – @VecchioLupo
Thanks for your answers.
It's always nice to compare to be able to understand each other more.
I read, interpret and post but I need competent people to help me understand behind the lines.
Obviously I don't take anyone's words at face value, however... they help me reflect and understand certain nuances that I wouldn't have been able to grasp on my own.
Thank you guys ;-) ;-)
at this point lyon I'll ask you a question
What do you think of Rossi and company's statements regarding the fact that Ducati has never made any development since the beginning of the year?
and never followed Rossi's directions?
do we believe that what we saw in the videos can be created in two and two four?
Never thought that the development of Ducati was non-existent, it's practically impossible...let's talk about MotoGP...prototypes
Certainly not a development at the level of Honda and Yamaha who have exceptional know-how and tons more money than Ducati.
It was simply a matter of time...if only the prophet "I'll fix the bike in 5 minutes." and the rider had been more parsimonious and humble perhaps the relationship would have continued and the bad transition results (let's remember that Ducati's is a revolution of Copernican dimensions) seen in a less sensational way... the fact is that everyone believed, even Rossi -Ducati - Jeremy, who with that bike (considered Stoner...) could immediately go fast and achieve podiums and victories... also because the team and the most famous rider of all arrived in the team... unfortunately it wasn't like that... Ducati paid for greatness of Vale..and Rossi paid for Casey's talent...
... perfect analysis ... if I had done it I would have had 245 "little verses" ... unfortunately many people will never admit these things that you have written and that many think, even specialized journalists, not exactly the latest arrivals ... being presumptuous leads to these results ...it was enough to wait, not make high-sounding declarations and work hard (both the award-winning company Geremia/Nurse and Ducati) and the results would have arrived...now we tend to arrive calmly at the end of the season...who knows if he will reach the podium again...I can see it It's tough but you never know!!!
Another podium is difficult...I don't think it's conceivable that he'll be able to get ahead of Dani and Jorge...and Casey when he returns...also considering how Bradl and Alvaro are driving...unless there are particular track conditions or something else; However, the podium is not the issue but rather the gap from the leaders and the handling of the bike...if the progress seen in Misano is confirmed then we can say that we are finally on the right path...and Dovi will be able to breathe a big sigh of relief...
@Fatman – Hi, you who are second on fantamotogp…, how do you point Vale in the next GPs? On the podium, not winning, or in seventh/eighth position?
@Bibon
sorry, I didn't finish the speech ;-)
Already in February "2012" Preziosi and Squadra Corse together with Vale and Burgess had a development package in hand.
Photos of the GP2011 were already making the rounds at Misano 12
Audi slowed everything down.
@Bibo
I have my own theory which apparently everyone shares, given that no one directly addresses the topic: development has stopped due to the takeover of Audi, Preziosi and Rossi have very little to do with it.
By the way… post the third part of the GP12Evo ;-)
http://manziana.motocorse.com/blog/32941_GP12_evo__terza_parte.php
@Bibo
in one of the 2 posts I included you as Bibon.
I didn't do it on purpose, sorry.
Typing error ;-)
My thought is that Ducati, starting from a motorbike that was conceptually different from the Jap (pylon and load-bearing in short), found enormous difficulties in developing a new vehicle that would overturn the old motorbike concept they had in Borgo Panigale; Furthermore, Ducati doesn't even have an internal chassis department!!!. But in your opinion these guys get loads of seconds up to Bro... the bike doesn't turn, it has no grip on the front, it destroys the rear and at Misano they arrive within 5 seconds of Jorge's Yamaha??? Magic? Miracle?...or is it more normal that after many briefings, analyses, comparisons, development etc...they have finally got the stiffness and the least bad chassis right? and is this fact just coincidence or is it the result of a reasoned and constant but unfortunately slow and difficult development because you will revolutionize? in my opinion it is because revolutions (technical ones) are not made in 5 minutes (to quote a famous phrase..).
The fact is (and I repeat) that with Rossi we couldn't wait that long... with Rossi either we win or the project is a failure because (for the uninitiated and therefore the 80%b who follows the races today) "Rossi also wins with the Garelli ”…no, no, and no….Rossi, if he doesn't have the means of transport, will take a BEAT FROM JOSA!! This is the fault of Rossi and Burgess....the presumption of being able to arrive and make a splash straight away....yes but on the ground dammit!! With a little more patience, perhaps things would have gone differently... and I repeat my thoughts once again: Ducati paid for Vale's greatness and Vale paid for Casey's talent...
mine was a question
instead of thumbs up you could have given me an answer….
For anyone who may be interested:
GP12Evo Part3
http://manziana.motocorse.com/blog/32941_GP12_evo__terza_parte.php
lyon no problem!!
:-)
I know you don't offend others
@Lyon66:
Hi, thank you for the invitation to express my opinion on this topic.
But I think it is useless, first of all because I have already expressed my opinion over and over again, refining it as new events occurred, up until what I posted a couple of days ago. And yet EVEN that opinion, despite being free of any bias, has aroused controversy.
Secondly, I see that the blog has become populated with people who are much more prepared and informed than me, with great professionalism in the sector, and therefore I enjoy reading more than writing. At the moment.
As for having associated me with Testoner, for which you apologize (pleonastically I think, look, I don't have any problems!
I take this opportunity to clarify:
He is the one who continued to raise hell by claiming to have received unrepeatable insults from me: I consider this statement NOT TRUE.
For my own sake I went, with holy patience, to re-read all, ALL (but I may have missed something, for goodness sake) my interactions with him...
Well, you know what's the worst thing I wrote to him?
This:
“But how can Lyon say that he can reason with you?”
adding in another post:
“…who knows what Lyon smoked to say that he gets along well with you…”
These are my worst "insults" to Testoner.
After that I have no problems with him, although I find everything that happened with him very sad.
PS
I have read all your links to Manziana and besides being very, very interesting as they are extremely enlightening, I find them really difficult to dispute... ;-)
@W_il_Sic – Hi, thank you for your reply and also for reading the linked articles, which you find interesting. In fact, I haven't seen your posts for a couple of days. I'm glad to know that you're there if I ask you for an opinion. Regarding you and Testoner (you do it, I'm not right) I consider you both smart and prepared. I'm sorry you're not on good terms, that's all. If one day you make peace again I will only be happy. ;-)
@Lyon66:
I'm always here for you. For an opinion or anything else!
For Testoner you don't have to hope that we... "make peace" in the sense that I have never argued with him, I don't have it against him; it's a war entirely between him and me, but I don't "fight" against him, nor against anyone; as already said 1000 times, if they insult me first, I will defend myself (even with malice if I am pissed off), but you will NEVER FIND, in the entire blog, a gratuitous and unmotivated insult from me to anyone.
A warm greeting.
@lyon66. HELLO VR!! sorry for the delay but I had and still have some problems. if you haven't recognized me, I'm a testdicaz-zoner....(so someone understands) I'll answer the question above. as I already wrote to you in the previous article (in my opinion) ducati has made giant steps forward in just one test. as far as the podium and the speed at misano are concerned, I give 50/50 to vale and ducati. as I have already told you several times, Rossi's credit for being a racing animal should not be taken away! I think that until Casey gets back to 100 percent fitness he can easily compete for the podium. Anyway, one thing needs to be said... why did Rossi miss 2 important tests at the start of the championship???? (I'll leave this question to you)
@Testoner
Hi, thanks too for the reply.
If you remember, you and I also met in a somewhat abrupt manner then..., talking and learning more... we understood that even if we don't share opinions 100%, we are happy to chat. You do it, I'm sorry because you're both smart and competent but I don't get involved in your disagreements.
Regarding the question you asked me about the absence of tests... I didn't even remember ;-)
I tried to read up but I didn't find an answer..., I'll try to throw it out there rationally; not to justify it but thinking as if it happens in my job, given that Battaini and Hayden were on the track testing.
Sometimes I happen to go out with colleagues and together with them force or almost force, to conclude the sale: they plan the tour, the visits and together (with two it's easier) close with management or particular customers.
To say what?
Valentino, I repeat that I am not justifying him but I try to put myself in his shoes, in that test he might not have been indispensable for the roughing work and instead was essential later for the fine work.
Testoner…, I could be wrong, I expressed an opinion as if I were absent from a meeting or job fair.
If I said something stupid, explain to me, now we often exchange opinions between us ;-)
@lyon. he skipped the first test, preferring to go racing with the Ferrari 458... I don't know about the second either. HELLO! VR. until next time.