MotoGP Motegi: Jorge Lorenzo wins the race, Marc Marquez is world champion!
The Spaniard repeats his 2013 title, giving Honda its first world championship victory on its home track
Marc Marquez (in the photo) is the world champion of the 2014 MotoGP class. The Honda Spaniard took the title at Motegi, finishing second behind Jorge Lorenzo, but ahead of Valentino Rossi and Dani Pedrosa, the only ones who could still postpone his party. He thus repeats last year's title, won in Valencia in his rookie season.
It is still in history for two other reasons. He is the youngest rider to win two consecutive titles in the Top Class at 21 years and 237 days. The record belonged to Mike Hailwood and dated back to 1963. He then gave Honda their first title on their home track. In fact, it had never happened before that a driver from the Japanese company won the title on the circuit owned by the golden wing company.
Returning to the race, it must be said that once Lorenzo took command of the race he never left it, repeating Motegi 2013 and winning the second consecutive race after that of Aragon. On the podium was Valentino Rossi, who was also leading the race, but had to surrender to the two Spaniards.
Ducati, after obtaining pole yesterday, was unable to keep up with the leaders until the end and finished in fifth position with Andrea Dovizioso and sixth with Andrea Iannone. With the championship assigned, the fight for second position is wide open, with three riders in contention, Rossi, Pedrosa and Lorenzo, who has forcefully returned to the race after the last two victories. From the Sachsenring race, he is the rider who has obtained the most points, 150 against Rossi's 89, Marquez's 87 and Pedrosa's 82.
Race report
The "Motul Grand Prix of Japan" is scheduled at the Twin Ring in Motegi, the first of three consecutive non-European races preceding the Valencia race, which will close the 9 season on November 2014th. Yesterday the team won the first pole position season it had been Andrea Dovizioso, riding the Ducati. The rider from Forlì had been missing from the top spot on the grid since 2010, when he took pole aboard the Honda at Motegi. Ducati had also been missing pole since the same year, the last one having in fact been achieved in Valencia 2010 by Casey Stoner, who we remember won the title in 2007 aboard the Borgo Panigale bike in Motegi.
Also on the front row is another Italian, Valentino Rossi, riding the Yamaha. The seven-time Top Class world champion will have Dani Pedrosa's Honda on his right, while Marc Marquez, who could win his second consecutive MotoGP title today, will start from the first spot on the second row.
Honda's #93 yesterday preceded his compatriot Jorge Lorenzo on Yamaha and another Italian, Andrea Iannone, riding the Pramac Racing Ducati GP14.2. Third row for Pol Espargarò's Yamaha Factory, Cal Crutchlow's Ducati and Stefan Bradl's Honda. Seventh row for the San Marino Alex de Angelis (Yamaha Open Forward Racing) and for the Terni native Danilo Petrucci, now riding the Iodaracing ART and next year riding the Ducati of Andrea Iannone, who in turn will take the place of Cal Crutchlow in the internal team. Everything is ready, 24 laps to go for 115.224 km, the traffic lights go out, the fastest at the start is Valentino Rossi, who got away very well from the front row. The Yamaha rider is followed by Andrea Dovizoso, Andrea Iannone (started very well from the second row), Jorge Lorenzo, Dani Pedrosa and Marc Marquez.
Attack by Lorenzo, who passes first Iannone and then Dovizioso. The Majorcan is chasing team-mate Valentino Rossi, who is attempting a mini-escape. The first lap ends with two Yamahas in the lead (Rossi and Lorenzo), followed by two Ducatis (Dovizioso and Iannone) and two Hondas (Marquez and Pedrosa). Followed by Pol Espargarò's Yamaha, Stefan Bradl's Honda, Bradley Smith's Yamaha and Cal Cutchlow's Ducati.
The Brit himself falls on the podium in Aragon, losing the front end of his Desmosedici. Fast lap from Rossi, the Yamaha rider from Pesaro lapped in 1'45"744, while Marquez passes Andrea Iannone.
Two laps go by, the top positions don't change, but Marc Marquez sets the best lap with a time of 1'45"389. Meanwhile, Pedrosa manages to overtake Andrea Iannione, who is unable to keep up with the pace of the leaders
Lorenzo is very close to Rossi, he attacks the Majorcan, who pulls a great braking before entering the tunnel. Successful maneuver, now the #99 of Yamha is leading the race. Meanwhile, Marquez approaches Dovizioso and during the eighth lap passes him when entering the corner. The world championship leader, who could win his second MotoGP title today, now has Valentino Rossi in his sights, who in the meantime has not been able to keep up with Lorenzo.
We have now reached the halfway point of the race, Lorenzo continues to "hammer", while Marquez is attached to Rossi and is looking for an opening to pass the seven-time Top Class world champion. Behind, Pedrosa is glued to Dovizioso, but both are far from the top. He attacks the Honda rider, who moves into fourth position.
Lorenzo seems to want to repeat last year's success and his advantage over the Rossi/Marquez duo is almost two seconds. Marquez attacks Rossi, passes, but the Pesaro native responds brilliantly, immediately regaining second position. The battle between the Italian and the Spaniard, who absolutely wants to win the title here, was beautiful. Marquez attacks again, but this time he manages to stay in front. At the moment he is world champion, but there are still eight and a half laps to go.
He immediately extends Honda's #93, which could give the Japanese company its first title on its home track. Lorenzo is far away, but second position ahead of Valentino Rossi is more than good for the Spaniard. With six laps to go the Ducatis are in fifth and sixth place with Dovizioso and Iannone.
Final laps of the race, the positions do not change, Lorenzo repeats Motegi 2013, but Marc Marquez is MotoGP world champion for the second consecutive year. This is a well-deserved title for the Spaniard, who had a first part of the season to remember and who had only failed to get on the podium in Brno, Misano and Aragon. Let's give a round of applause to this champion, who will be the driver to beat next year too.
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Congratulations to marc marquez...world victory 100% deserved. You are a phenomenon!!!!
Well done Dovi, I see you didn't go too far... a good fifth place!!! fartman will be happy!!
…but shouldn't the geriatrician have made Jorghe angry by coming in front of him? If I think of all the insults Lorenzo received from the nurse's fans I can only enjoy it immensely!!!
On purpose. Jorghe has already won the geriatrician's double this year, even if for him (Jorghe, ed.) it is a year to forget... meditate, filthy tavulliaboys...
Fatman, how good are you! If it weren't for you to enlighten us in this Middle Ages! I also heard that you have two options for next year: commentary on Sky or engineer (wow... even a graduate!) Ducati in place of Dell'igna! You are our Italian pride (hee... hee... hee...)... aren't you one of the famous brains (ah... ah... ah...) fleeing from Italy?
…..We hope…….
Jorge is written without the h, goat.
…I have poetic license in the forum…
@prestito(alias surrogo…) when you have to talk about reds you have to write thief tax evader pacifier!!!!
...good tester...but you forgot "grandson" (given the important Uncle) and "perfect" (I'm never wrong, Galbusera is wrong etc.)... as well as Homme de m++d (not to be confused with man of the sea)
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…
Anyone who earned those figures would do anything not to give half of it to the fucking Italian state, even you goats who don't understand shit would do it.
..."fuck"? Capraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…
yeah but in the end the angry one is you fartmn ahhahah
...you're wrong...it's enough for me that the geriatrician doesn't win and I'm satisfied...you don't know...
come on fartman...from pole to fifth with 14 seconds...you'll see they'll win again. meanwhile today on the podium today there was your nightmare. hold on fartman!
BUAHAHAHAHA…2010 Casey wins with Ducati and Rossi comes third at 5,707….2011 Rossi doesn't arrive with Ducati…2012 Rossi seventh at 26,072 from first….but the best one is from 2013! Rossi sixth with Yamaha at 24,637 from Jorge…. 2014 the rebirth from nothing... and only the minki@ dads believe it!!!!
and you tell me about 14 seconds taken from Dovi…. at least he is developing the bike and doesn't declare himself like someone who refused to give his best because it wasn't worth it...
Certainly a great victory for Lorenzo, who drove a perfect race, despite an inferior bike, Rossi also improved a lot from FP4 and also from the Warm Up, although he still lacked something compared to Jorge.
The Hondas are superior but less so than at the start of the championship, at least here, with these tires and consumption and with less than perfect qualifying and a start they were put into crisis.
In addition to Lorenzo's great race, Marquez's excellent race and Rossi's good race, I would also like to highlight Pedrosa's great race.
It's true he started badly, and thus cut himself off from the fight for victory, a bit like Marquez.
But it must be said that he is the one who gave up the least, he was 4.3 seconds behind Jorge at a certain point, first he had to overtake Iannone and then Dovizioso, losing time and he reached the finish line at 3.157, it can be said that together with Lorenzo he is the one who lapped more alone, therefore he consumed a lot of tires and petrol, but he didn't give up until the end, he certainly had an excellent race and the result does not reflect the fact that this time he too never gave up, and he the one who certainly gave up the least during the race, not that Lorenzo Marquez and Rossi gave up, but when you are more than 4 seconds from the first, it is certainly not easy to believe in it until the end.
Ducati chapter, I await Ligera's comment, because apparently, the Soft tires are not the excuse given in the 8-9 races in which Ducati did not have the same choice as the factory MotoGPs. Today, with this counter-proof, that excuse really didn't hold up.
It doesn't matter if they use the medium or soft, in the race, even though they have more experience on the Soft, despite the extra liters, despite the extra engines, if the race is close from the first to the last lap Ducati pays even with the same tires , despite the distorted qualifications and being at the front slowing down the group, pays off a lot at the finish line.
Today it was 6 tenths per lap with the same tyres, I give at least 3, in less tight races. Today, however, we saw that despite the favorable track, as stated by Dovizioso, the problem of tire wear has not been solved, so the bike has improved, but they still have to work hard on the tires...
I'm throwing this out there just for the sake of…
Motegi, Honda's track, where it carries out its tests, the Production gained 3 tenths per lap, and in the race with 24 liters of petrol it went even better...
Today the first reached 51.093 seconds
just over 2.1 seconds per lap from the Factory, perhaps they should have asked Honda's leaders why this difference in performance compared to what was declared last season, and what Casey Stoner's times actually were with the Production...
Poetic license? Dear Fatman…. you don't even have primary school... or maybe you paid for it????
Congratulations to the driver from Cervera, Lorenzo drove a champion race and in the end I believe he will be able to achieve his only possible objective for this year, which is to close the 2014 ranking, putting himself behind Rossi and Dani, he is only three points away and has a superlative condition...Dani..oh Dani..cross and delight...Dani's only goal was to try to postpone his teammate's celebration for as long as possible...but for one reason or another he never succeeds in anything ..in the end he could have already taken advantage of the last GP to recover important points on Marc and instead he crashed out ..ok it was raining but take a risk and go in with stà Cxzzx of motorbike to make the change before your partner no?..Today I was hoping that with a flash of pride he managed to put the wheels in front of Marc and instead nothing...next year is really his last call to arms...but he will have to be meaner...I see it as a very difficult undertaking...it's a shame about 2012...really Sin…
Rossi will have to defend himself from the attacks of the two Spaniards who will try to close the championship in front of him, but after the dark years in Ducati he has had a very high level championship... and if we consider his age and the level of talent on the track I have to say that it's almost almost this year proves more than any of the previous titles...Marc is the record man..I hope he doesn't beat that of Dhooan and Casey (poles in one year)Ducati..so far a nice full 8,5!! I'm confident about the 2015 bike..
Congratulations to the phenomenon Marquez and well done Lorenzo, he was unbeatable today.
Unfortunately, watching the race again, I realized that despite the favorable conditions, the Yamahas were beatable.
Marquez and Pedrosa were very fast throughout the race, apart from the start.
Lorenzo was beatable, he managed to prevail thanks to his and Rossi's formidable performance, a perfect team effort. Without Rossi acting as a filter in the second part of the race, I don't think Lorenzo would have had such an easy life.
The two Honda riders were just as fast if not faster.
Lorenzo won today, but he did it thanks also to the less than perfect start of Marquez and Pedrosa and to Rossi who managed to slow down Marquez for a bit, taking the pressure off Lorenzo.
Rnnie..my peers say "If he didn't die..he lived"..congratulations for the analysis.
Everyone is free to think as they want, but without Rossi Marquez could have forced it earlier, he would not have accumulated such a gap from Lorenzo after jumping Dovizioso because there was no one in the middle.
Furthermore, Rossi didn't really respond to Lorenzo, perhaps Lorenzo was clearly superior, perhaps Rossi had no chance to respond, but we saw that with Marquez he didn't think twice about coming back and slowing him down and staying in the race.
If he had let him pass like Lorenzo passed, without any response, and had treated him with kid gloves, in my opinion, also given how much Marquez recovered that lap by taking Jorge by surprise, he could have managed to recover.
Without Rossi in the middle first to slow him down, then responding to the overtaking Marquez would certainly have been much closer to Lorenzo, and Jorge would have been forced to pull even more and control the race less easily.
I'm not saying that Rossi did it on purpose, but without such a competitive Rossi, Lorenzo wouldn't have had such an easy life.
It was clear that Pedrosa also recovered a lot and he didn't act as an accountant, like Marquez who needed second place and finished ahead of Pedrosa and Rossi to take home the title at Honda.
The Hondas still have an advantage of 1-2 seconds over the course of the race, much less than at the start of the championship, but the advantage remains, and on tracks more favorable to Honda and with conditions more favorable to Honda it even increases. While for Yamaha, even when the weather and track conditions are favorable, it is a struggle for their riders to bring home a certain victory and they even need 2 teammates who do not hinder each other and who play into each other's hands.
Speeches like yours, full of ifs and buts, give an idea of how much you can understand about riders and motorbikes, ditto the fact that you consider Hayden the only champion in the world inferior to Stoner, on the question of Casey's book for the money...I remind you that the Australian refused more than 1.000.000 EUROS PER RACE in 2013...now since you understand more than the others, go and explain to Nakamoto that he was paying 10.000.0000 million euros to simply have one of the "many champions" in circulation...let's leave aside the discussion about titles...according to your reasoning Dani is inferior to Nicky for the simple fact that he won a title...Stoner no longer races...comparisons are made on the track and your attempts to compare the two are laughable...then you can't even understand that Stoner was victorious and fast with a motorbike with which the others went for a ride...Marc, two-time champion, of course...a scary phenomenon...it's a shame that in 2013 Jorge and Dani's injuries gave him great luck...he certainly didn't dominate like Casey despite having the best bike...he won by 4 points...as a rookie and this was the real "sensational coup". .this year he dominated far and wide ..Stoner the first year is greeting on a customer..or do you mean to tell me that Marc would have won even with Bautista's bike?..Rossi is certainly a champion but the second in wrist and winning even with a Garelli were lies...
Stonami77 full of ifs and buts??
I think you need math tutoring first
1.000.000 euros per race if there are 18 races it's 18 million
not 10.000.0000, it's not clear whether he should have taken 10 million or 100 million, of course you're going to be too big.
If I'm not mistaken the salary was in dollars, not in euros and it was around 10 million I think, write it like this next time so you don't make figures 10 is not 18 and 10 million euros is not 10 million dollars.
That's a lot of money, and Stoner deserved it, but didn't I say he wasn't worth it? I said that Nakamoto would have been happy to have Stoner instead of Pedrosa and Marquez.
They would have made one of the strongest teams ever, look I wrote this, but it's the ifs and buts of someone who doesn't understand anything so Stoner is a bastard and Marquez too in your opinion? haha you seem a little confused haha
What in my opinion would have happened, however, could have worked in Lorenzo's favor, because I would like to remind you that the world championships in which Rossi and Lorenzo stole good victories for their bike in 2008-2009 brought everyone closer.
For us it would certainly have been better to have Stoner and Marquez as teammates for the show, and for Honda to beat Yamaha perhaps, if they hadn't gotten hurt.
The problem is that Marquez seems stronger than Stoner, and perhaps already this year he would have reduced him a lot, look at what he has done in 2 years, and what a Stoner with many more years of experience than him has done in 2 years.
For now Marquez has raised the bar, and in my opinion no one was ready for such a leap this year, neither Lorenzo, nor Rossi, nor Stoner, nor Pedrosa, perhaps they will get there little by little, also studying Marquez well, but for now I I remain of the opinion that Stoner is no better than Lorenzo di Rossi or Marquez but you are free to believe he is the best ever, and to say that there are others less strong than Hayden of the latest MotoGP champions who are racing...
Ronnie, unlike you, I'm not saying that Stoner would take them from Marc or vice versa... I'm just saying that without the comparison on the track they are just suppositions based on statistics... maybe with Stoner on the track these statistics would have been reduced or perhaps exaggerated. .well..but I repeat with ifs and buts you can't reason, statistics in hand the accounts prove you right..two titles in a row at that age Stoner didn't succeed..this doesn't mean mathematically that in track would have taken them..
nice race. Rossi demonstrated his talent by once again climbing onto the podium and causing nightmares to the usual IDI0TIs on the forum.. How nice to read your angry comments.. Years go by but that little man is always there and you are still cheering... And the Italian technology seen from behind..?? Iannone managed to see it.. Maybe that wasn't exactly what you meant, right Tony..??
but are you there or are you doing it?? I remind you that for 3 years he disappeared.... and you with him.
now because there are still three points that keep him in the balance, rejoice and talk about a perfect season!
but logically for you 2 years ago it was the shitty bike that gave him bad results…. then last year after 3 months of rest, immediate aging emerged...
now other confirmations are also coming out but some of his fans continue to talk only about us anti-reds...
poor you... STAY TOGETHER SOONER OR LATER HE WILL WITHDRAW AS CHAMPION!!!!!!
tortoise and where were you when he won?? Were you busy following Biaggi with his first steps in WSBK?? a bit of coherence half cartridges. 9 titles won and still makes your blood boil. good rosikata.
@supermarcione. go on, I answered your bullshit
Blah blah blah kills like gnawing, stoner here stoner laaaaaa, stoner has escaped and is fishing. He wins all the fishing competitions with the wormeeeeee ahahahahahahahahaha rosicaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa m3rd4cci44444444444444444444.
these are the answers of the classic very low level canary….
I wrote you the gaps and out of shame you don't even answer because you only know how to say 9....
poor thing you are...
Saying your IQ is zero is like paying you a compliment.
and anyway if there is anyone who gnaws it is you together with others….
I remind you of some vitally important numbers….
2 WINS IN 4 AND A HALF YEARS!!!!!!!
STAY UNITED FOREVER!!!!
testoner, paraphrasing Casey, and adapting the sentence, it can easily be said that your stupidity exceeds your ignorance.
If the period you take is more than 4 years, include Rossi's last victory in Sepang, with his bad shoulder and patched leg at the end of 2010...
Furthermore, I would like to remind you that it is easy to blame Rossi, for his years of competitiveness crisis that occurred after 2010 and his accident at Mugello and the shoulder one, and the 2 years of Ducati, and his return to Yamaha in which one can compare his form to that of a younger but even more out-of-form Lorenzo at the start of the season.
We have seen how even a rider like Jorge, if he is out of training, takes half a season to get back to riding, to handle a GP like the ones being raced now, and how the extra kilos make the difference, so much so that Lorenzo actually declared that in addition to being back in shape he also weighs less than last season.
I would also like to point out that you should take a look at Rossi's performances throughout his career, not just when he had accidents, and wasn't in good shape, nor did he have a very competitive bike.
Because if we talk about victories, he at least won something unlike other riders, who according to some should deserve his bike or that of Dani Pedrosa, but who haven't won anything at all.
I would also like to remind you that in the last 2 years there is another driver who has only won 2 races, and that is Casey Stoner, who from then on is on permanent holiday and no longer races. That is, the last two won at the end of 2011. He has stopped at 2 races in the last 24 months so he is not much better than Rossi, who at least continued to race and wins at an age in which Soner is already retired, and guess? Rossi was still winning at the age when Casey Stoner is retired.
So if we want to talk about results at the same age, Stoner remains at 0, Rossi continues to win for years. Stoner won the last world championship at 26 years old. Rossi won the last world championship at the age of 30, oh man there's a big difference apparently...
Testoner, Rossi is competitive and a lot... and it's true that he's always there... that's not the point... Rossi won 9 world titles... this gave him the presumption to write a book where he said that the rider is worth more than the vehicle ..in this he is perfectly right, except that the rider in question was not him...but Stoner..who as Ronnie says is retired..and as Ronnie Lorenzo always says he won in Japan not because the M1 is now equal to the Honda , not because he had a No. 1 performance but because he was helped by Rossi..
@ronnie. instead I can say that your diplomacy doesn't surpass your asshole head
I have never allowed myself to offend you even if you are talkative and don't understand a thing about motorbikes...
but it's one thing to insult those who insult me.... another and insulting those who have always been diplomats even though they don't understand a thing...
after this it's better that you don't interfere in my conversations anymore.
defend the indefensible. reds here reds there… ******o and take it to ca'
I had written a papyrus for Ronnie…. but since it's in moderation I'll just tell you to go ahead and pinch it.
and as someone said…. now analyze this minki@ democratic professor!!
I have never offended you because all in all polite...
but you've outdone yourself here
then ignor@nte Casey in 2012 had 5 victories, 5 podiums and also a fourth place with a leg practically destroyed on Saturday. and missed 3 races... but what are you talking about??
Your Bedouin was shattered by Casey
sorry tester if I fell to your level, even if I seem to have remained a bit above hee, you're right now I'll try to take note so next time I'll answer more objectively, you are a master of objectivity :)
I have never managed to read Rossi's book, but I think there is nothing wrong with writing something about one's career, especially since he did it when he was still racing, not as a pensioner, just to get people talking about himself and make money. (Which he certainly managed to do thanks to the book, but I don't think it was done just for that)
Stoner is a champion, Rossi is a champion, Lorenzo is a champion, Marquez is a champion, Pedrosa is also a champion, not of MotoGP but of other categories yes.
I don't understand why we have to say that a Champion like Rossi is a bastard and that all the others who have won much less than him are better.
Rossi raised the bar when he arrived in 500cc not the first year, but certainly the second, was he on a great bike? Nobody denies it, he had an excellent team, nobody denies it!
When you win 2 world championships in a row, like Rossi did, much more than 2 to be honest, or like Marquez did, you certainly have an excellent bike, an excellent team, but you have to be excellent pilots.
Stoner was lucky enough to get on an 800cc Ducati where he was unbeatable, even by the best riders, even by the bikes that up to that point were superior or at least as good as the Ducati, either because of the tires or because it was a 'excellent bike, either because Stoner proved to be an excellent rider and a true champion, or because a few things went wrong with the others.
Nobody belittles Stoner like you are belittling Rossi or like you want to do. Nobody says that Stoner stole the 2007 world championship because Ducati got the bike right and Bridgestone the tyres, because without Stoner perhaps Ducati wouldn't have won the world championship, or rather more than likely, just as it's probable that Honda and Yamaha wouldn't win them all those World Cups without Rossi.
It is enough to see that the first year of 500cc Honda, despite an excellent bike, did not win the world championship, because Rossi had no experience on 500cc and another rider with more experience won.
I would like to remind you, however, that in 2011 Stoner also won a world championship practically without a teammate, and in 2012 he was injured like Rossi in 2010, in a less serious way I seem to remember, he was certainly less impaired than Rossi, and less than Pedrosa in the his various years, but he still had a superlative Honda, which in fact won 2 world championships in a row, precisely with Marquez. Marquez won 2 world championships in a row, and this super talented Casey Stoner, the best ever, only won one, and Marquez won the first as a rookie, now I would like to say that all this means something.
I'm not here to say that Stoner is the best ever or not champion, but that in my opinion it's not right to say that one is better than the others regardless, every season has its own story, the riders are in shape, the conditions get injured the bikes change.
Objectively one can only say that up to now Rossi is the one who has won the most, of those who race, he is also the one who has been racing the longest, but then it is fair to say that the results must also be compared at the same age and not when one always races against the other.
Why then do we put Agostini on a MotoGP and have him race against Miller (for someone who isn't in MotoGP yet), and say that Miller is super and always beats him, and that everything that Agostini won before was because he didn't have opponents, he had the better bike, and blah blah blah, it doesn't work like that. Everyone races in their own era, and along his career he encounters many opponents.
So I say this to everyone who has it out for Rossi on this site, but what's the point in saying that someone isn't a champion when he has demonstrated for years that he is one. There really is a need for stadium cheering, and to always be against, Rossi will have made many mistakes, he will have said things that you don't agree with, you don't like him ok, but he is a person and like millions of other people you may or may not like him, but as a sportsman and as a driver it is undeniable that he is a champion like many others if not better, what's the point of discrediting someone who only does what he likes, in his own way, but who has achieved great results.
first I never said that Rossi is not a champion but I always wrote that he would never have won so much if he had had opponents... but you only read (like others...) when people make fun of or explain certain things too joking.
Even the stones know that Rossi had favoritism...
I have always praised (when speaking seriously) the qualities of Rossi... especially in competition. (I have always defined him as a racing animal... always when speaking seriously.)
I make comparisons and if I make them it's because someone always brings up stoner... probably because it burns so much that the comparison in the years we ran together beat him to victories (and with an inferior means for most of the years...)
you say that the 2007 ducati was the best bike that year?? give me some numbers of the other ducatis on the track…. and don't tell me about Capirossi's only victory (among other things, the only one of the 800 era apart from Casey..) because it was lucky due to the bike change...
do you know what tires the second and third placed teams were on at the end of the season??
another reflection now...
but in your opinion nakamoto is an incompetent who still misses casey??
and his former mechanics?
and Dovizioso, Cal, Lorenzo, Pedrosa, and the good soul of the sic?? all people who don't understand??
I can understand if you're talking about us... but from the way you talk, these people don't understand a thing about motorbikes. I'll end with you here.
Testoner look at who won the most races in 2007, and how many Bridgestone won…
It's normal that tires aren't enough, great riders are needed, and it's normal that if the great riders of 2007 were Stoner Rossi and Pedrosa, because they make the difference over the others, but I'll ask you the question, who was FOURTH in 2007 and who had tyres, how many points had Suzuki scored in recent seasons, why such a gradual improvement, equal to that of Ducati, yes they didn't really have great champions as riders...?
Is Stoner better than Pedrosa? Of course, he won a world championship, Dani not even one in several years.
Is Stoner better than Marquez? No!
Is Stner better than Lorenzo? (in my opinion, no, they are both very strong on the same level, both fluctuating, just like Rossi in his second phase of career from 2006 onwards)
If Nakamoto had Marquez and Stoner he would be happier, because he would have a duo like Lorenzo and Rossi of 2008-2009-2010, perhaps even stronger considering Marquez but with a question mark as to which Stoner we would have, whether the one from 2011 or the one from 2012 , a bit like the Rossi of 2009 or the one of 2010.
No one has said anything that Stoner Lorenzo Rossi Marquez and Pedrosa have been the best around for years, but each of them races at different ages, sometimes in different years, sometimes on different bikes, with different teams.
Everyone is great, but not everyone has advantages and disadvantages. Stoner remains the only one who had even fewer strong teammates during his team career, like Rossi until 2008.
Consider this too, when you say that he is the most successful and that Rossi was the favourite.
Tell me how many teammates on the same bike as him, MotoGP world champions Stoner has had in his career.
This means always sharing the bike with someone less strong, it means being in an advantageous position like Rossi in the early years of MotoGP.
Stoner remains a great champion, but the only MotoGP world champion who I consider inferior to Stoner in recent years is Nicky Hayden, the others are at least at his level if not better.
So if on the one hand you want to downplay Rossi, go ahead, but be careful not to make the same mistake as those you call canaries, because not even Stoner is the strongest ever, the fastest, the most successful and so on and so forth. put. He's a great champion like others but putting him above everyone else seems a bit excessive to me, given how little in terms of world championships he has collected in his career, also looking at what Rossi has done before and Marquez now.
Stoner, after 2006, with Cecchinello in the team, has always had world champions. and he ridiculed them.
and don't play dumb by saying that Casey didn't do anything in the minor categories... you know how he had to race and with what. and even in the last year of 250, even with a private bike and team, he gave a certain Pedrosa a hard time... and if he lost the title it was only due to an injury.
I don't consider Stoner the greatest champion of all time but rather the fastest driver of all time. and as I said some time ago, someone considers Kewin Schawntz to be one of the strongest riders... I also consider him one... and he only won one title and we also know why. but he is and will remain one of the strongest riders.
Having said this to make you understand that it's not how much you win that counts (at least for me,,,) but it's how and with what you win!
I stand corrected, Stoner had one world champion on the team, only one MotoGP champion and I also mentioned him, it was Hayden himself, who in fact I consider less strong than Pedrosa.
But you also said that he is less strong, haha that is, make up your mind or Hayden is a super champion like Stoner, capable of putting him in difficulty or he is less strong than Pedrosa.
I'm talking about the current MotoGP champions, Stoner is not stronger than Rossi, nor Lorenzo, nor even Marquez.
But whoever talks about the 125 or the 250 is up to you, yes, in any case Stoner didn't win as many as others, it's a fact, but it can be said, he's Australian, he didn't know many circuits, he matured "late" also for this reason, according to myself.
For injuries it applies to everyone, many have lost world championships due to injuries, it's due to bad luck or because you are forced to go beyond the limit to keep your opponents.
Stoner on a Honda didn't win 2 world championships in a row, Marquez the Rookie, injured Lorenzo and Pedrosa, and he was lucky not to have serious consequences from his falls. He did it with the same bike with which Stoner lost the world championship the year before and was also overtaken by Pedrosa.
Rossi won 3 world championships in a row with Honda, but Rossi is less fast, isn't he? He has less talent, and is less good, he was favored…
It's a shame that he won the World Cup in unsuspecting times...
Stoner on a Honda didn't win 2 world championships in a row, Marquez the Rookie, injured Lorenzo and Pedrosa, and he was lucky not to have serious consequences from his falls. He did it with the same bike with which Stoner lost the world championship the year before and was also overtaken by Pedrosa.
1)Did Marc get Lorenzo and Pedrosa injured?? did he beat them? what are you saying..
2) Be serious, Stoner lost the world championship not because he was poorer but because in the third race his mind was elsewhere and I remind you of a small detail... Casey's monstrous Highside in Indy... where he still qualified 6th on the grid with only 15 minutes of testing which is equivalent to saying with just one lap flown and he finished 4th in the race..he subsequently missed 3 GPs..this will have compromised his world championship, or not? I certainly approach the season in the wrong way anyway.
Hahaha I've been wearing earplugs for two days because all I can hear is the screeching of the slips from the mirrors of the Tavullians (especially when they talk about Casey and the nine titles with the last minute rubber) who, no longer knowing what to invent, go on passing by from the many follies said, so many to win the prize for idiocy, to moving on to the stupidities and then to denigrating everything and everyone and finally complicit in their madness they see others as those who gnaw, hahaha in fact you can see who is gnawing great.
Rarely do you hear so much stupidity all at once hahaha what a spectacle, sometimes I'm shocked (even though I should be used to it by now) in witnessing that there are certain such foolish characters but at the same time it explains a lot of things about how Italy is going, in my opinion you tavullia possessed you are really sick, you have a mental illness and for advice go and be seen by someone who is really good because you urgently need it!
All right, I'll let you vent your huge frustration in the hope that once you've vented it you'll come to your senses a little.
Meanwhile, congratulations to the new truly great phenomenon of Marc Marquez for his well-deserved second world championship in the top class, great Marc, keep it up!!!
Many compliments also to the winner of the race, the great Jorge who was absolutely perfect, it's a shame about the "crisis" at the beginning of the year and until mid-season because he would have been the only one who could have made life difficult for the champion Marc, and okay it will be for next year.
DANI, Dani I have always considered Dani a great champion with an empty "wallet" due to the immense bad luck he has always had but now he is starting to disappoint me.
Luckily the Yamahas are inferior to the Hondas, so say the complainers and the obsessives, who in hindsight if we remove Marc who made the difference the first two places on the podium would all be three tuning forks other than the usual stupid things they say and yesterday with Jorge was clearly seen to be okay.
Ducati and Dovi were not bad either as they held up well until the tire gave them up, a tire which due to the absurd regulation puts them at a disadvantage in the race.
Finally, the fantastic interview with Marcolino from when he was 8 years old debunks for the umpteenth time another of the many lies that have been told to us for years by those sold-out journalists who believe that we are all fools (for the most part it is true) , ahahahahahaha fantastic when they asked him the question: "what do you want to do when you grow up" and he replied: "I would like to be a professional pilot like Dani Pedrosa", understood as Dani Pedrosa not as they told us and wanted us to believe the tarot cards sold by journalists what they said about that other one.
Who are also stupid, first they tell a lie and then they don't remember it and show a truth that makes them lie, ahahahahah these are also the side effects of tavullianitis which they also suffer from ahahaha!
Ahahahahahahahahah little by little all the knots are coming home to roost and quite a few knots have already arrived for some time now, ahahahahahahahahahahah!!!
Well well in the meantime I'll mark the notches, AHAHAHAHAHAH!
But now I'm curious to see the new twists of the usual omelette to make me have some more good and hearty laughs, ah and remember, come on, come on with the thumbs down from crying with tears from flooding, ahahahahahahahahahahah!
poor H is ranting haha
Er, tire that puts Ducati at a disadvantage, but you saw the race, the factory MotoGPs had the Softs, the Ducatis had the Softs, all with the white stripe.
Ducati had GPs and GPs of experience on that tire since they had chosen it many times, sometimes even when they could have chosen the medium, but they used the Soft, so they could point the blame at the end of the race.
Here the little altars were all revealed, PERFECT TEMPERATURES, LOW LOW, MAXIMUM SPEED AND GRIP GUARANTEED BY THE ASPHALT, ALL LAPS IN RECORD TIMES.
Ducati takes more than 14 seconds at the finish line with the same tire as the GPs in a very tight grand prix. This is the real gap between Ducati and MotoGP, despite the fact that in qualifying they could opt for an Extra-Soft choice which allowed them to start in first position and not find themselves in traffic from the start of the race...
Ronnie SCRIIIKKK SCRIIIKKK !
Ahahahahahahahahah so come on can you do better?
You're not in good shape, come on, I want a lot more thumbs, because for each one I see your many flood tears, come on?!
Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
H look, I would be happy if the Ducati could get within 10 seconds, but unfortunately it hasn't reached that gap yet in a very tight race with the same tyres, even if it's close and is getting closer.
Except that it's too early to call it a miracle for now, and some hardcore anti-reds have taken the opportunity just to be great, and they don't care much about Ducati, because then they disappear when Ducati's results are the real ones and he exploits of a race fade away.
Ps Rossi also went to the podium in particular conditions with the Ducati, he took GP by GP more, not because they didn't know how to develop the bike, or because in Rossi's 2 years the bike got worse, but simply because they couldn't touch the engine, not they had more engines, and consequently these improvements were impossible. Dall'Igna chose this path precisely because he knew that by remaining a factory in all respects it would be another year like the previous ones.