MotoGP Motegi: Andrea Dovizioso takes the Ducati to pole, Rossi is second
Front row with two Italians, second pole position of his career for Dovizioso
Amazing performance by Ducati and Andrea Dovizioso in qualifying for the Japanese Grand Prix, scheduled for tomorrow in Motegi. The rider from Forlì has in fact achieved the pole position complete with a record, the second in his career, managing to make the most of his Desmosedici GP14.2
The former Honda and Yamaha rider finished qualifying ahead of his compatriot Valentino Rossi, second on the Yamaha of Team Movistar. The seven-time MotoGP world champion finished just 55 thousandths behind the Ducati and in turn precedes Dani Pedrosa by 0.198s, who in the last attempt, when he was competing for pole, lost the front of his Honda RC213V.
A great day therefore for the Italian colors as has not happened for some time (Ducati had not been on pole since 2010, when Casey Stoner set the best time in Valencia). The work of the engineer. Gigi Dall'Igna is starting to bear fruit and Ducati will be able to be competitive in tomorrow's race, given the pace kept in FP4.
Reigning champion Marc Marquez was only fourth, trying to achieve the twelfth pole position of the season, but without succeeding. The world championship leader, who could win his second consecutive Top Class title tomorrow, finished ahead of Jorge Lorenzo's Yamaha and Andrea Iannone's Ducati, which closes the second row.
In the third row Pole Espargarò on Yamaha, Cal Crutchlow on Ducati and Stefan Bradl on Honda. Here are the very first impressions of Andrea Dovizioso and Valentino Rossi.
“It was an almost perfect qualifying, so far it's been a good weekend – he said Andrea Dovizioso – We are working well and for the race we can really think about the podium.”
“I'm very happy, the front row is very important – he said Valentino Rossi – I'm sorry not to have achieved the pole that I've missed since 2010, but Dovizioso beat me by a hair. We have made a fantastic strategy, for the race I will try to stay with Marquez and Lorenzo."
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Now let's see if the mass media still ignores Ducati, can we bet that the headlines will be a forced "Dovizioso on pole" without mentioning Ducati?
Perhaps, in the meantime, the great super champion Valentino was dreaming of a pole with the Ducati...
I am convinced that the immense 9-time winner in the WM tomorrow morning, thanks to his great skill, will fix what little is missing from the bike all by himself and will win even with the very serious fracture of his very important limb, his superiority is so great in compared to the others he will beat everyone anyway!
Let's remember that we are talking about a phenomenon who has never been like him, the best of all and of all time and the one who makes history every time he races, I also have the feeling that in the last five years he has decided not to win to give some space to others, what a great altruist and what a great person to have decided like this otherwise he would already be 14 titles away!
Only he is the divine supreme champion, whoever does not recognize him understands nothing.
Is everything ok?
Aeneas
Yes why ?
That's not what I've been seeing in recent years but if everyone says it then I believe it too.
ha ha ha I was about to write the same thing.
H tranki, enjoy the gp.
Hondas will definitely be fine
get ready, tomorrow I'll see Vale 1st and Super Dovi on the podium.
GREAT DOVI!!
My ohhh you're never happy, if you say it's a pilot the "verses" come, if you say it's the best of all, what should I say then?
You tell me and I'll write it later, ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
hahahha, how cute. You have a really great sense of humor.
EHEH.. “THE REVENGE OF THE NERDS” Anyway it must be said that there is nothing like being able to win alone without anyone's help just with your own means..
Maybe a hello to the uncle... just so as not to appear ungrateful... ;-)))))))))))
Congratulations to Dovi! Usually, when Rossi declares that in the race he will try to stay with Lorenzo and Marc... he implies that he has a lower race pace. Does anyone know the precise race pace of the big 4?
1st Lorenzo in FP4 went down to lap in:
1:45.5 – 1:45.6 on his last attempt
but he made 3 runs from 2 runs thrown only
2nd Pedrosa in FP4 went down to lap in:
1:45.6 - 1:45.8
but he did 2 Long runs, a total of 11 more or less fast laps, and it seemed much less constant, but it also depends on the traffic.
3rd Marquez in FP4 went down to lap in:
1:45.6 - 1:45.7
but he did 2 Long runs, a total of 8 quick laps, and seemed more consistent than Pedrosa.
4th Iannone in FP4 went down to lap in:
1:45.7 - 1:45.9
he did 2 long runs, a total of 9 more or less fast laps, with a consistency similar to Pedrosa, perhaps in Ducati they will be forced to do one fast lap and one slower, to cool the rear a bit in the race, but it depends on the weather, they are certainly less effective than Lorenzo and Marquez, but since Lorenzo doesn't have a long run it's difficult to understand if with the tires overheating Lorenzo also has consistency problems.
5th Dovizioso in FP4 went down to lap in:
1:45.7 - 1:46.0
he did 2 long runs, a total of 8 laps rather quickly and consistently.
With high notes a bit less good than Iannone's, but with decidedly more consistency.
Only 7th Rossi in FP4 went down to lap in:
1:45.9 - 1:46.0
he did 2 long runs, a total of 10 laps rather quickly and consistently, but very similar to those of Dovizioso, so he is certainly less incisive than the leaders for the moment, and he must improve his pace by at least 2 or 3 tenths if he wants to fight for first places.
He also has the problem with his finger so we will have to see if he will actually be able to avoid suffering from that problem in the race with such a long race and it will last so much precisely because of the braking.
Great Ronnie…detailed and very kind.
Yesterday I read an interview with someone where he claimed that for the performance of the Ducati it's not the extra liters that count but the extra-soft tyre.
Uhmmm something doesn't add up to me, but wasn't there someone last year who complained that they had little fuel and didn't finish the race... and now liters don't count anymore?
Uhmmm there's something strange...
And the tire doesn't seem to last for the whole race, so (maybe it?) it's not that much of an advantage.
Well, uhmmm it's not clear something doesn't add up to me.
Hahaha H you are beyond ridiculous in saying bullshit, for that matter, and making excuses and justifying unjustifiable things and things that cannot objectively be turned around at will.
From the FP4 article on this web page:
“The Ducatis are excellent, occupying fourth and fifth position with Andrea Iannone and Andrea Dovizioso. The Borgo Panigale Reds proved to be very competitive in terms of pace and in qualifying they will have the advantage of the extra-soft tyre, while in the race they will be able to take advantage of the extra liters available compared to the Factory ones."
Clearer than that :)
In qualifying the Extra-Soft tire on the rear, in the race more litres, but the forced choice of the Soft tyre. Departure and first laps certainly above the Factory MotoGPs and then struggling with tire wear...
Then if you want to say that there are no advantages and that the Soft tire is just a disadvantage, go ahead. Meanwhile, if they raced with the same tires as the MotoGP or worse with the regulations of the factory MotoGP they would not have achieved pole and they would not have had the opportunity to recover the gap as in the last 6 years, therefore a disadvantage given by the Soft tire in the race, it certainly cannot cancel out all the advantages they have been able to exploit thanks to the regulation. And I repeat, I'm not saying it's illegal or that it's wrong, just that objectively it's not that they have to give Ducati everything, absolutely everything and not give it even a small disadvantage, they've already allowed it to recover irrecoverable things with the Standard regulation.
It's as if in F1 they said to Mercedes, you can't do tests, you can't modify the engine substantially, while the others have all the developments available, tests galore, but they only have to fit the supersofts in the race, but they also have 20% more fuel to finish the race…
So next year they closed the gap, and even if you worked hard you spent millions more than the others, we will cancel out all the efforts made for 3 or 4 years in just one year by changing the regulation...
Sorry but seriously....how can you say that if Ducati hadn't had the opportunity to make the open even in 6 years it would have made up the gap????? regardless of what I support I can give you a thousand examples from 2 to 4 team wheels who dominated and from one season to the next they ended up in nothing and vice versa, perhaps you haven't followed motor sports for long...
No Tony, either I explained myself badly, or you misunderstood.
I didn't make an assumption, saying that without the Open regulations Ducati would have taken 6 years.
I said that in 6 years with the regulation that Yamaha and Honda are respecting, Ducati has continued to lose, lose, lose competitiveness.
Competitiveness lost since 2008.
Already in the Stoner era Ducati gradually lost the advantage, an advantage that its opponents previously had, until 2005.
Already in 2006 it was at the level of its rivals, whether it was due to the improvements made to the bike rather than the Bridgestos, rather than an amalgamation of the 2 points, in 2007 it was the better, superior bike, and thanks also to Stoner they dominated.
As the Brdigestones lost their advantage over Honda and Yamaha, and as the Japanese developed better, from 2008 onwards they lost more and more competitiveness and the results up until the end of 2013 got worse and worse.
So you understand that it is a fact, that by following the FACTORY rules Ducati has never recovered the disadvantage over other bikes, because even if they have improved, they have always improved less than their rivals.
Ok, rereading and it's clearer now, well anyway these things happened in Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, Kawa and many others sometimes they come back sometimes they disappear sometimes it happens because of a rider who leaves sometimes because a team leaves undoes, in Ducati both things happened at the same time but in my opinion it's part of the game, except that Ducati entered Moto GP in a big way and from its debut it took little time to win and it made more news when it started to not to win but it's a very young team compared to other teams if we look at the history of the jap teams they've been there too...
In 2008 he lost nothing in competitiveness, winning 6 races, while Stoner's rival who won that year had tires he wasn't destined to have.
He obtained them thanks to the "relative" you have been mentioning for some time now.
In 2009, when Ducati actually began to lose competitiveness, but it always happened due to the "Regulations".
In 2009 they changed some engine parameters (which I'm not going to rewrite) and the Ducati came out battered.
The Giappys, which in order to catch up with the Ducati were forced to install pneumatic valve distribution because the springs, close to 20.000 rpm were no longer able to work, had no problem, while the Ducati, with these new parameters of fuel pressure and else, he remained at stake.
Here too, no Ducati fan has ever talked about different performances in case etc. etc., but we limited ourselves only to "remembering" these regulatory changes which, as your words demonstrate today, have been completely forgotten.
I'm starting to have the certainty that this constant blathering about useless things, considering that you too are claiming that everything is done in terms of the regulations, is only to "exorcise" the fear that the idea of being able to see at the end of the day gives you , Valentino finishing behind Dovizioso on the same tires.
It is urgent to find justification quickly and this is the most "at hand".
Regarding the statements on ExtraSoft tires and the extra liters of Ducati, I invite you again to re-read your Valentino's words.
There's no such thing as chatter, Valentino is right and you already know what he means, or Valentino is talking nonsense, since you claim the exact opposite.
Honestly, I'm fine with it one way or the other, you do what you want.
The comparison with F1:
Absurd!
No sorry, can you give me 4 details:
How many races did Stoner win in 2007
How many races did Ducati win in 2007
How many races did Bridgestone win in 2007
How many races were held in 2007?
Now do it all again for 2008 and tell me the result, thanks, and try again to claim that in 2008 Ducati had the same margin over its Japanese rivals...
as I already told you, there is no worse deaf person than someone who doesn't want to hear, and continue on this STORY of Rossi the Extra-Soft The extra liters,
Sorry, liger but when DUCATI uses the extra-soft, the rear tire with the green band, please answer this question.
I also know that there have been changes in the regulations to limit the performance of the engines, but it must be said that those very limitations played in Ducati's favour, given that I would like to remind you that Ducati won the first world championship of the 800cc era, and Honda was supposed to be the favourite.
But the timing you illustrated is inaccurate, I think Yamaha has been using pneumatic valves since 2008, while Honda perhaps also introduced them at the same time, perhaps a little later.
Ducati lost part of its motoring advantage due to changes in the regulations, precisely because pneumatic valves were introduced in 2008. Furthermore, first Rossi from the beginning of the season and then Pedrosa from about halfway through began using the best tires available, the Bridgestones. , here are revealed the two big reasons for the recovery of the opponents who went on to develop the bike better than Ducati, who slowly lost competitiveness on the road. A great initial project like 800cc which little by little was developed worse.
The regulation is this. Point. Now that you Ronnie say that Ducati took pole only thanks to the tyres, I tell you that you have made the discovery of hot water... about 6 years you are probably right too... better a regulation that favors motorcycle manufacturers like Ducati and in the future Aprilia and Suzuki, such rubbish as the 2012 ballast on already made motorbikes and the change in tire size.. the Regulation was made to give an advantage in the development of motorbikes that are not Honda or Yamaha...clearly... Ducati had a peak of competitiveness in 2007 thanks to the development done in previous years with Bridgestone, to the monstrous talent of the rider and thanks to an engine that had plenty to spare...the Japanese immediately closed the gap...unfortunately MotoGP is not like the SuperBike, manufacturers like Ducati are not destined to dominate for long...if you then consider that the best riders are all fascinated by the Jap...for Ducati but also the other manufacturers that will enter next year (maybe soon also the verdona) it will be difficult to win a world title..we welcome technical regulations that allow a manufacturer to recover the gap..with the fact that they are temporary and in fact in 2016 everything will be the same for everyone..
Sorry Stonami, but I missed a step, but who indirectly encouraged the weight gain in 2012 just before the start of the season?
Secondly, the change in tire size by half an inch for everyone, I don't think it will significantly change the values in the field, it is not done to favor or disfavor anyone, other than the work of the tire dealer and his ability to promote himself by focusing on the fact that tires are the same size as those of the MotoGP, as Michelin will do.
Ronnie, I understand very well what you think.. it's clear that in your opinion it's favoritism at Ducati.. in 2012 Honda had to make 3-4 teams and fight with Madonna chattering during the first races and for the rest of the season almost...so Rossi, in addition to being favored by Michelin, was also favored with the Ballast story?
And enough with this story of always questioning the ifs and buts... Ducati has grown so much also thanks to the regulation... for me it's not about favoritism but about a clear political will (political choice) to allow the manufacturers prestigious companies such as Ducati, Aprilia and Suzuki to be able to develop more than the two Japs in order to REDUCE (NOT BRIDGE) the gap..
Since 2010 both Ducati and Vale have not reached Pole.
Who did it first?
Would you have said it? Honestly, not me!
Get hit by a ligera train!
Aside from the fact that the pole came exclusively thanks to the rubber, but a person who feels such hatred towards a rider who you don't even know in reality disgusts me because let's face it, you're nobody... you're a clown on a motorcycle site. HI :)
Support whoever you want, but don't tell me to be proud of having such a fan among "your" (in the broadest sense) ranks.
“Cheer for whoever you want”. Which is especially true for you and for you ligera because up to now you are only rooting against. Hello ridiculous ;)
Ligera among your ranks I could name one in particular who wished the worst to everyone, and you hang out with us on a daily basis.
Hypocritical.
Aeneas
In my opinion, the open regulation for Ducati is clearly in his favor but it must be said that the performances he does today are also thanks to a technical improvement he has had since Dall'Igna arrived with the help of this regulation which allows development while also taking advantage of extra engines in addition to fuel, the tire factor helps to start further forward and push harder at the start of the race, ultimately leading to a smaller gap from the leaders. However they are doing a great job congratulations.
As for someone above who is convinced of the conspiracy, I don't understand why he's so upset.
It's a conspiracy.
A nandooo but you're obsessed with conspiracies, understand it there isn't a conspiracy but there's just a way to take advantage of the usual because everyone knows in the back that Tavullia's pilot with his own strength against the three Spaniards wouldn't be able to able to see the podium except with binoculars and it is done to keep the audience ratings and mass interest in MotoGP high, otherwise the masses will run away and goodbye money and sponsors, you understand.
Now I'll move on and close the discussion definitively, bye.
H954RR
But are you there or are you doing it? If they favor Rossi to keep the audience ratings and mass interest in MotoGP high, otherwise the masses will run away and goodbye money and sponsors, whatever you want to call it, let's see the championship distorted??? Well it's the same thing.
Don't get pissed off by giving yourself a heart attack!
Just kidding, don't worry, that's how it is anyway!
H
I'm not absolutely pissed off, these are the facts and the facts are like that for you. I understood this very well.
But especially if Rossi brings money, sponsors, a lot of fans, even more importance, but why the hell did they make Honda win 12 races and Yamaha 2?
But if Rossi is so phenomenal in terms of ratings, shouldn't they have let him win at least 6 or 7 races?
OPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS thesis dismantled…
NO, just make him competitive, let him get on the podium and win one race a year and then as I just said, for him the help is no longer enough to be able to beat the three Spaniards, there are no longer the opponents of the past and the rubber of the last minute as if it had just surfaced, in fact it shows.
OPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS thesis dismantled…
Haha lately it seems to me that you too are behaving like a ligera, you say one thing, then you change it, then you turn it around and reinterpret it.
Sorry but are they helping him or not?
hahaha it must be really frustrating to support Rossi when things are going well for him, you've gotten used to it too well in the last 3 years it seems :)
Now that he is competitive again despite his venerable age, you can no longer blame this or that.
You want to understand that if he is 35 years old he does what he is doing now, perhaps when he was 18-20-27 he could do what he did because he was the strongest rider in the world who raced in the premier class and that's it, no ifs or buts...
ronnie it seems to me that the ones here who say something then change it, turn it around and reinterpret it are you and as I said to enea, think of it however you want and I'll do the same.
I don't fall for it.
H you never answered again….
I'm waiting for links to interviews with people in authority who say Rossi is the bluff you're talking about.
I have already posted 4 that claim it is the greatest or among the greatest ever...
People like Kevin Schwantz or Wayne Gardner…
people who don't know what you know obviously...
I keep waiting….
Aeneas
Hey nice, I remember what they said and then after all this time where do I go to get the links?
I'm not that good at the PC and you're certainly better at this.
And then as I told you before and as you confirmed to me with your answer, so much for you if they are things said by authoritative people but in "pro" they are fine if instead other authoritative people speak against them there is always the reason or they are gods rinse lettuce, so nothing changes, there's no point arguing, you think as you want me to do the same.
enea ronnie & c. in any case, there is overwhelming evidence about who is the best, for me the 47-1 could win again but the No.1 is different and he is the one who triumphed where your idol failed, this is more than enough for me and that's it, everything else is just immense bullshit, it's just ALL BULLSHIT!!!
This will remain in the annals and this is the true story that everyone has clearly seen, your problem if you don't understand or admit this at least.
But think what you want.
I'm going now, in case I'll give you an answer next week.
It seems to me that for now the only one comparable to Rossi is Marquez, the only one who has really been better for years now, the one who has shown even greater superiority, the results speak for themselves.
Marquez is the one who has succeeded where all the others have failed, i.e. equaling for now records that have not been broken for decades.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only one who after years manages to win 2 world championships in a row, one of which on his debut as the youngest ever.
The last person to win 2 world championships in a row is Rossi, and he did it for years in a row. The last time in 2008-2009 but I remind you that he did it from 2001-2002-2003-2004-2005 a nice little article and from the latest declarations made on tires and rubber pads, it seems that tires up until 2004 and probably 2005 too there weren't any... so do the math yourself...
H954RR
So look, I'll lower myself to your level and tell you that the No. 1 is Rossi because he succeeded where your idol failed, in 125 and 250 okay? The rider who adapted to all bikes and rode above all problems.
H
Don't act stupid.
Our discussion never concerned whether or not Rossi was the best ever or better than stoner, personally I think stoner is great, and it wouldn't surprise me if someone thought he was the best ever, stoner is certainly one of the contenders for this title.
I asked you to link me to interviews with authoritative people who say that Vale is just a bluff.
Just this.
If you don't bring any you're a dick.
If that's why Stoner also failed where it counts, he triumphed.
Stoner didn't win a single saw in either 125 or 250, and on a super HRC he won one world championship out of two, being beaten by Pedro...
The career of every driver will always have lights and shadows, and the glass can always be seen as half full or half empty.
His style and personality made him win on a Ducati like no one else, but in Honda he got back on track, winning a world championship and losing one, and Marc is already doing much better.
In 125 and 250 he achieved nothing.
At 26 he retired….
In 2008 it was lactose, I want to believe it, but have you ever wondered why someone reaches the age of 23 to discover an intolerance to one of the most common foods on the planet….
The stress he was carrying (combined with his personality) triggered his immune system, and you get an intolerance to the very banal lactose at 23 years old....
Stoner the best ever?? Maybe, but Rossi isn't the bluff you're talking about.
Prove me wrong with the facts, otherwise you're the idiot mentioned above.
Aeneas
In Stoner's defense, I guarantee you that lactose intolerance doesn't necessarily have it from birth, it just appears out of nowhere, and is not easily identifiable if you don't have a history in your family or acquaintances.
I've had it since this year and it appeared out of nowhere, and includes all foods that are made from milk of animal origin.
I certainly didn't have as strong an effect as Stoner's, and in my opinion he certainly had that effect on him also due to the type of life he led, which certainly created more stress for him.
I seem to remember, however, that the intolerance has been there since 2009, not 2008.
He also stated that, by consuming foods with lactose again, he quickly lost his strength. If he says so, you have to believe him, it means that his intolerance is really strong, and that his body is no longer able to digest and dispose of it in any way. lactose.
For the rest you are absolutely right, Rossi has a long career behind him, and his duration shows just how much he, more than many other champions who came after Agostini, is genuine from this point of view, because for years he was at the top of the top, and despite a downward trend in recent years he is still racing there and not only thanks to his fame, but this year he has demonstrated with the results that he can still compete, but the whole package must be competitive, bike, team and last but not least the rider.
Yes Ronnie you are right, I didn't explain myself well.
In life things are never black or white, and far be it from me to want to make a stoner diagnosis from my home PC, but from personal experience I can assure you that health problems, including various intolerances, arise very often following large doses of stress, especially in people with a somewhat particular character such as stoners.
In the end, a rider's career is the sum of many factors, talent, luck, work, etc., but if a great stoner almost ends his career at 23 and retires at 26, it's clear that something was wrong...
Aeneas
In my very humble opinion, Valentino Rossi deserves esteem and respect even from those who are not his fans... his is an absolutely amazing career. The thing that really surprises me is seeing how little Marquez is taken into consideration. What Marc did in This season he is monstrous! He is 21 years old and is heading towards his fourth world title...and yet he is almost snubbed by those who I assume are MotoGP lovers like me.