MotoGP Le Mans: Pedrosa wins, Rossi falls, Lorenzo gets "lost", Marquez's masterpiece comeback
Dovizioso's Ducati savors the podium but has to surrender to Marquez's comeback
The French Grand Prix in the MotoGP class saw Dani Pedrosa triumph, who after dueling for a long time with the Ducati of the great Andrea Dovizioso went on to win his second race of 2013 after the success obtained in Jerez two weeks ago. The Honda rider ran a great race, especially considering the extremely treacherous conditions of the wet asphalt on the French track.
Illustrious riders like Valentino Rossi paid the price, who then got back on his Yamaha M1, finishing only in twelfth position. A race to forget at Yamaha, in addition to Rossi also Lorenzo, in fact, after a very good start, he ran a terrible race, finishing in seventh position and losing ground in terms of the world championship. A race that made Ducati fans dream, with Dovizioso in the lead for a long time but who in the end had to surrender to the "furious" comeback of Marc Marquez, who started badly and managed to climb to third place thanks to fast laps of the podium. Immediately in front of him was a stoic Cal Crutchlow (who ran with a small fracture of the tibial plateau) and who therefore finished second in Team Tech 3's home race.
Pedrosa is now first in the world championship standings with 83 points against the 77 of his team-mate Marc Marquez. Jorge Lorenzo is losing ground and now has 66 points against Cal Crutchlow's 55, Valentino Rossi's 47 and Andrea Dovizioso's 39.
Race report
Fourth race of the 2013 season for the riders of the MotoGP class. It runs on the historic Le Mans circuit, on French soil. Yesterday, with the new qualifying format (everything is played out in 15 minutes in the "time attack"), the world leader Marc Marquez won pole in the Top Class (with his second pole in MotoGP after the one achieved in Austin), who had beaten the reigning champion and compatriot Jorge Lorenzo by just 30 thousandths. Surprisingly, the Ducati of the excellent Andrea Dovizioso is in the front row with them, starting from the top of the grid for the first time.
Second row for the Yamaha SAT of Cal Crutchlow's Team Tech 3 and for the Honda RC213V of Stefan Bradl (Team CLR) and Dani Pedrosa, riding the internal team's bike. Valentino Rossi will instead start from the third row with the eighth fastest time. The Yamaha rider from Pesaro is sandwiched between Bautista's Honda and Bradley Smith's Yamaha. The first CRT is that of Aleix Espargarò, eleventh and ahead of his teammate, the French Randy de Puniet. Everything is ready, it's raining, the race is therefore declared wet, 28 laps to go (for 117.18 km), the traffic lights go out, the fastest at the start is Andrea Dovizioso, with the Ducati. The rider from Forlì made a splendid start which allowed him to be ahead of Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Bradl, Hayden and Rossi. Marc Marquez started off very badly and was only eighth.
The first lap ends, Dovizioso is in the lead ahead of Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Bradl, Rossi, Hayden, Crutchlow, Marquez and Iannone. Rossi's attack, the Yamaha rider from Pesaro passes Bradl.
Beautiful race, Dovizioso continues to lead while Rossi gets behind the leaders. Pedrosa attacks, the Honda rider passes Lorenzo taking second place. Meanwhile, Bryan Staring, a Team Gresini driver driving a CRT, falls without physical consequences.
Pedrosa follows Dovizioso, while Rossi is with the leaders. Andrea Dovizioso continues to lead the race, having been ahead of everyone for four laps already. Pedrosa tries to attack, passes but goes a little wide and the former Honda and Yamaha rider takes the lead again. Rossi is closing in on Lorenzo at the back, while Marquez is eighth, also taking a risk. Lorenzo loses positions, also passed by Hayden, and with Bradl there to tail him with the German managing to pass. Pedrosa passes in front, the Spaniard is once again in the lead, the duel with the #4 Ducati was beautiful, his attack was "millimetric".
Marquez goes strong behind and manages to get the better of a Lorenzo in great difficulty. The reigning Yamaha champion is eighth and his position is "threatened" by Alvaro Bautista, a "prawn" race for the Majorcan who risks losing a lot of ground even in the general classification.
Meanwhile, a pale sun comes out, the Bridgestone soft rain tires could suffer a little towards the end of the race. After half the race we have Pedrosa in the lead ahead of an amazing Andrea Dovizioso on the Ducati, a stoic Cal Crutchlow, who is racing with a micro fracture of the tibial plateau, Valentino Rossi's Yamaha (a difficult race to decipher so far) and to Nicky Hayden's Ducati, who is now attached" to the Pesaro-based Yamaha.
Unfortunately Stefan Bradl falls! Even Valentino Rossi imitates him!! The nine-time world champion's race is now compromised! Having lost the front of his M1, he also risked involving the innocent Hayden, who runs just a little wide. It's a shame for the rider from Pesaro who was still running a good race, even if not up to the standards of the leaders. Marquez, now fifth and "seeing" Hayden, benefits from this.
Meanwhile, Crutchlow is very close to the Ducati in front, which would still be on the podium, given that Hayden and Marquez are over five seconds apart. Lorenzo is still seventh and ahead of Ducati tester Michele Pirro, who here replaces the injured Ben Spies in Team Pramac. Marquez attacks (who is riding very fast), now fourth, with Hayden's Ducati fifth. Attack from Crutchlow, the British rider from Team Tech 3 takes second position in what is his Team's home race.
Last 4 laps, Marquez turns very fast, now he sees Crutchlow and Dovizioso. It would be a joke for Ducati to lose the podium like this, but the talented Honda rider is making a wonderful comeback, which if it ended with the podium would be truly spectacular. #93 attack on the outside of the Ducati, Dovizioso isn't up for it, but at the moment he has to give up. Marquez is on the "virtual" podium. At this point, given the times, there could be a sprint finish between Crutchlow and Marquez, who if he finished second would still write a fantastic page in the "history" of his debut in MotoGP.
Final corners, Pedrosa goes on to win his second race of 2013, the 24th in MotoGP. On the podium a stoic Crutchlow and a great Marc Marquez. Dovizioso finishes fourth ahead of team-mate Hayden, who preceded Bautista and Lorenzo. Rossi, who returned to the track after the fall, finished twelfth.
Photos: Alex Farinelli
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CAXXXXOOOO!!! :OR
Ok… great pedro…. great cal…. and also good at ducati...
Well done... shame about the slip... it could fit...
Anonymous lore... I couldn't judge it...
But a parenthesis on the parallel Rossi-ducati Dovi-ducati must be made...
Remember who won last year... a certain stoner... and who didn't win where...
Look at the final positions, and the gap that there was with Hayden last year and the one that the American had today on Andrea... ;)
Just to say…
Having said that, a heart-pounding race... well done guys...!!! :)
Aeneas
...what a beautiful discussion from an unrepentant canary...think of the geriatrician and eat a lot of Pesaro-style liver ah, ah, ah...just without shame...I bet that if he hadn't fallen he would have won, right? I'll make an aside... did you see how Cal was doing? I'm so sorry... make an agreement with Lyon, W il Sic and Mike58 and go to Lourdes to light a candle for the nurse ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah… I'm happy, I don't know, yes, you understand...fill yourself with Nutella!!!
If I put more "ah"s than you I'm better!?!? ^^
Vale won so much that I'm gorged on virtual nutella...
You are filled with bile... ;)
Rossi ran a great race, he crashed... amen, but it's still a great race, and I'm happy!
Instead you remain sad :)
Regardless of the “ah”s you throw down… :D
Aeneas
...don't worry, I'm very happy...the problems are yours, take note of them...and fill yourself with pasta with turnip tops...go back to Tirana ah, ah, ah, ah!!!
…I don't know…. you used few “ah”s…..you don't seem so happy… hihihi^^
Aeneas
…ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah , ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah , ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah…to be continued…
@Fatman
Bye dear,
You, eternal envious people, have to go to Lourdes ;-) firing blanks: no longer hit anyone except yourselves, sometimes falling into ridicule ;-);-)
Beyond Cal's great race, I ask you who are more competent than me...
Leaving aside Vale who, in my opinion, if he didn't crash he would have been within reach of the podium... seeing Lorenzo (a dull race can happen) who even if he doesn't win he's still on the podium... it could be that this year's Yamaha is inferior to last year's?
....come on, Lyonn...don't be touchy like all the people of Bologna...go to Lourdes naked...you're used to it ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah , ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah , ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah…I'm so sorry ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!!!
@Fatman
I go naked to nudist camps ;-);-) and I even have fun.
Sooner or later, however, I also want to go on a pilgrimage to Lourdes: I believe that for a Christian it is a fundamental step at least once in a lifetime.
I beg to differ. The track last year was much wetter than this year. I'm going from memory, I could be wrong. This year after half the race it was almost dry on the line. As long as it was wet both Dovizioso and Hayden were fighting for the podium. In my opinion, Marquez's amazing comeback was also somehow "helped" by the weather. But nothing takes away from the Spaniard's immense talent. Finally Rossi didn't seem so good to me, I think that if he had remained standing he could at most have fought with Hayden for fifth place. Lorenzo surprised in a negative way. It's already getting tough for the World Cup.
…well done Fabio…perfect analysis!!! Even this morning in similar conditions Marc was very fast while on a wet track it was clear that he wasn't at his best... in races you also need c++oe, even if many say no, this is the proof... in any case, even if it had rained, the winner probably wouldn't have changed...Pedro is really strong and has improved a lot over the course of his career...maybe there could have been a podium for Ducati because in the wet the bike has better grip but the ifs and buts leave the time that they find….anyway you're right, last year the track was much wetter…damn, I'm almost serious…I'll get back to it straight away: today's geriatrician's race? ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!!!
….Enea, you can turn the omelette however you want..the man from Pesaro went with his butt on the ground..I didn't forget when you gave some chicken to Stoner because he lay down in Germany to try to win the race..you were an entire season beating around the bush over the fact that Dani was ahead of Stoner in the standings...obviously until the injury Stoner was fighting for the world championship (and with his mind elsewhere)...it seems to me that Rossi with the same bike as Jorge is taking a BEAT FROM ORBI..so be consistent and admit that today your champion made a fool of himself...Andrea is doing better than Rossi...you can see that he believes in it more and is more comfortable on the bike...anyway 12th and MUTE.
…very out of tune…he only remembers what is right for him…he doesn't admit that he has failed miserably once again…
…MUTE…beautiful, I always have to tell them…they must suffer to the end…they won't sleep tonight!!!
You're wrong.
It's been since the second race that I've been saying that Rossi has less than Lore... while you have always been obstinate about the omnipotence of the Martian stoner... even when he was behind Pedro...
Vale had a decent race... Lore, in order not to lie down, had an anonymous race...
My champion certainly made a better impression than Lore today, he had more, but staying standing was a challenge... you weren't the ones who judged beyond the numbers... ;)
And anyway, use calmer tones, we can discuss without necessarily descending to the level of fatman.
Then you do it.
Aeneas
Why then is Andrea doing better?
I repeat myself:
After the fourth race in the last 3 years, these are the results:
2011
5 Valentino ROSSI Ducati 47
2012
6 Valentino ROSSI Ducati 42
2013
6 Andrea DOVIZIOSO Ducati 39
Do you see that you are at least as biased as us?
Aeneas
...let's wait until the middle of the championship to take stock of Dovi and Ducati...apart from the numbers (which are important anyway) the concept is that Andrea seems capable of exploiting Ducati's potential better than Rossi (especially in practice) ...unlike Rossi however he doesn't have 9 world titles in his list...this is worth a bit more than the statistics...
@Stonami77
Not to contradict regardless but... apart from today Dovi has it for the first 5 laps...
The qualifying bike is set but the race then... is long... and after the first laps...
Is it Dovi or his twin who at the end of the race (except today) repeats the same words as Capirossi, Melandri, Stoner, Rossi for 10 years now?
If Rossi is overrated, what are the others?
Emeriti pir@la or…?
Either they're all suckers or... well
Before going to bed, drink a small glass of castor oil: it lubricates the intestine and is good for the liver ;-)
I'll answer you below.
Aeneas
...this is nice..set the bike for qualifying..I think you're confusing F1...even Rossi had it for the first 5 laps and Rossi also had to hope for rain (apart from the misano anomaly)..Dovi he's not doing worse than Rossi...on the contrary...looking at him he's driving decidedly better than the 46...
Stonami 77.
Allow me to add that when they changed the tires (2012) during the championship in progress, Vale wanted Ducati to vote like Yamaha (what the CRTs said frankly has no influence), they adopted the new tires and Vale immediately began to fail to reach at the end of the race, so much so that he then had to "steal" Hayden's set-ups in order to finish them.
Unfortunately, the tire problem for Ducati is an old story, born a year ago, with Vale's approval.
Meda declared after the race that Rossi beat the times of the leaders….
…look, in reality he won by distance…Meda has the brain of Aeneas and yes…but with meningitis ah, ah, ah!!!
it's a lottery...wet races are always distorted
you can't make comparisons... you can't know if and how much it will rain...
anyway great race thanks to dovizioso otherwise pedro would have left immediately
Beautiful race!!!
Especially until halfway through the race: intense and exciting brawl.
It seems to me that this race has decreed a series of great truths:
1. The Honda is on a different level than any other bike. Stellar.
2. Pedrosa won, but Marquez is truly from another planet!!!! I like this guy more every day!
3. Crutchlow is increasingly a phenomenon, however there is no explanation why the two official Yamahas are suffering so much!
4. Ducati apparently on top, but then you look at the numbers (which are the only thing that matters!) Today's gap from the leader is the exact same as last year, that is, 10 seconds. Except that last year Rossi was on the second step of the podium.
5. Rossi Chapter: he is certainly no longer the Super Champion he was until 2010, but he is also not the hotshot that old and new trolls want us to believe. Above all, the new 1 minute qualifications distort the reality of the facts. They disgust me.
And now, dear troll friends of this blog, unleash hell!!!,!
Ahahahahahahahahahaha
...it's useless for you to be funny...cry, suffer and fill yourself with Pesaro-style liver ah, ah, ah...and wait for the poem that Mugello will surely write...it burns you, ah?
You are a simply pathetic individual.
You need this forum to seek revenge for everything that life doesn't give you and thus obtain some gratification by being a str@nz@ in here.
I sincerely hope that fate gives you something truly beautiful in real life, and not the results of a motorbike race which is still a virtual world for us even if it is a real event.
…yes, yes…speak, speak…and wait for the miracle…please remember, you suffer a lot and eat a lot of Pesaro-style liver and a lot of Nutella….strange, your brother Mike58 hasn't heard from him yet….are you Siamese? ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!!!
faT
just ask
The shark pulled out its fin
Thus shouts the licking meda
Instead the confidence of the 46 tamarro rattles
And the fight ends like a leopard
Mute, without words the meda
Seeing his campion in the bastard scree
He blasphemes in his heart for the tragedy
do you like it??
…mugello, wonderful…you're the best…it's exactly what happened today…surely Meda will swear…, only he didn't do it live…poor yellowfin tuna ah, ah, ah!!!
even my comments ALWAYS reflect reality... it's just that some yellow-tarred Taliban doesn't like it and so far it's fine, they offend and they don't know how to do anything else (I don't give a damn)
…mugello, you're too much of a gentleman…they deserve the insults they receive…do you remember the first race? The site blocked? The great return of the prodigal son? The tenth title? Now everyone is saying "You're wrong... I didn't say that... you're a lazy bastard... what a bad life you have etc"... they know they're wrong and will never admit it... in a word: turncoats... they're the ones who vote for Berlusconi and they shake hands with Bersani... ridiculous... and you'll see when he wins a race... what changes in pressure there will be in their ridiculous lives ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!!!
@Fatman
You're wrong about me..., everyone speaks for themselves ;-)
as long as there was Almirante in the world I voted for him, then (until the last votes) for Berlusconi and I am an anti-communist/Christian Democrat of a certain type to the core.
Secondly but not of secondary importance, since August 2013 (I've only been on the forum for a short time) I have always said that I support Vale but even if they don't win the world championship I could care less; he already has 9 on his board: one more or less, you'll understand... I rather like the Vale of melee.
I like all the riders (from Marc who I like very much) to the last one who gives emotions and I often wish that the best one wins, regardless of my preferences.
Many people think like me, I think: the difference lies in the fact that in order to say something towards a driver you never liked (that's okay, of course) you often look for a verbal argument.
Think about two years from now with Marc... he's already pissing you off ;-) and you can't help but like this rider..., right?
He's very good and, as someone I don't remember said, he's a great protector, worse than me ;-);-)
For some it will be a drama, they will never be at peace until 2030... hahaha
Lastly... there are too many concrete pleasures in life to die for one driver or another...
But what do I care, what do I care...
Health, serenity, family (g@nocca if single), these are the true pleasures... of course ;-)
Numbers, the only thing that matters……
I don't think so, the numbers give the reality of things, they don't tell the truth.
Villeneuve (father), if it were by the numbers, would be "just" an excellent driver, but if you talk to anyone who saw him in action (I don't count), they will tell you that he was a driving phenomenon.
I believe that with this race Honda with Pedrosa, but also and above all with Marquez has demonstrated that, as in 2003 with Rossi and in 2011 with Stoner, it is the best and largely dominant bike of this season, such superiority is deserved, both by the riders as much as the motorbike.
Pedrosa and Marquez were far from perfect, both made some mistakes and long ones and yet they had more and quite a bit compared to their opponents. The Hondas showed that they have a lot of margin between riding with the others and raising the bar and going full throttle.
Dovizioso did a perfect race with very few mistakes and yet he was unable to obtain Rossi's results in recent seasons, and I believe in part that this is also and above all thanks to Honda which certainly has even more competitive bikes.
Crutchlow surprised me halfway, Le Mans is the Team Tech III circuit, they tested here in almost all conditions so the result in these conditions could have been predicted, even if Cal also drove a rather perfect race, always to the limit and he is the one who perhaps deserved the result the most, because it is the result of his and his team's work, just look at what the other Yamahas have done.
In my opinion, Lorenzo either had problems with the tires or had a full wet set-up, because he started "slowly" as usual in these conditions and progressed, until the moment in which the track gradually dried out and from there he lost one position after another.
Rossi started off strong and in my opinion he too did not have a set up as perfect as Cal's, so much so that Hayden kept pace with him and indeed, in the fall it almost seemed that Rossi had not forced the braking and insertion too much, while Hayden was he entered faster and didn't even risk falling at that entrance, or rather he didn't risk it until the moment he had to avoid Rossi, and it went well for him and he was good because he could have finished his race there too.
Vale fell because he was shooting.
Look at the timesheets of the intermediates, you can see that he was forcing himself. In the first intermediate he made his best time (2-3 tenths faster than the previous laps), in the second almost (9 hundredths worse than his best intermediate n°2), in the third he fell, but shortly before he had done 1.44.0 , just one lap, Vale's second best lap was 1.44.5, five tenths faster than his second best time. In my opinion he was pulling badly. Why? I don't know, but seeing red at the front and red at the back must have bothered him quite a bit, Hayden was even recovering, 13th lap 1.44.6, 14th lap 1.44.9 15th lap 1.44.3 16th lap 1.44.2, then on the 17th Vale fell on lap
Yes he certainly wasn't walking, it's normal he had Hayden who was recovering.
What I meant is that from the images it seemed that he wasn't forcing the braking too much, because Hayden, arriving stronger at that point, didn't fall.
Hayden and Rossi were going at their maximum, then Rossi crashed and if you look at the laps, Hayden realized he was at his limit too and suddenly raised his pace by 1 or 2 seconds per lap so as not to end up like Rossi .
Certainly if he fell it was because he went beyond the limit that his bike had at that moment.
In the end Rossi did one of his classic races under the water, it's all or nothing. When the track is wet, Rossi is a bit like Stoner in Ducati and in some races in Honda he goes all out or 1 or 0, it's not like he's there doing a lot of calculations, moreover this year the world championship is certainly not being played so I think who will take a few more risks in the race is not obliged to think like Pedroda but above all Lorenzo.
hi fatman
I already wrote a verse in the other post….hiihihihihihihihii
:-)))))))))))))))))
...I read it...great bibo...now I'll leave you because I want to hear the apologies of the nurse at full speed...what an ugly face...a bit like that of meda&c...or like that of enea ew the sic...
Why are you there running for cover by comparing, and belittling, this year's Dovi with last year's Rossi?
I understand that talking about today's race is annoying to say the least, but...
He may not have come second, and this is crystal clear, but he certainly gave, finally, a crumb of hope to Ducati, something that has never happened in previous years.
He did an excellent qualifying; almost with all certainty in dry conditions he would not have achieved a 4th, but without a shadow of a doubt, with a bike still almost at a standstill in development, he was able to withstand the brawl until a few laps from the end.
If we really have to make a parallel, the bike certainly needs to be improved, a lot and everywhere, but at the rider level, rest assured that we are in a decidedly better position this year: first of all, a humility capable of surprising, a dedication to be rewarded, a calm truly surprising and driving skills that certainly don't make us regret Valentino so far.
I could be wrong, but when we do the math at the end of the year I say that Dovi will have more points than Rossi in past seasons and then these (useless) comparisons with previous years will immediately fall like a ripe pear tree.
Having said that, super overtaking by Pedrosa, a great race, uncertain at the start but then dominated beautifully.
Great handle Marquez, it amazes more and more!
Cal, truly excellent performance, even more so when compared to that of the two officers, who today got lost in who knows what maze.
Lorenzo ?????
Rossi had a decent race until the fall, which was also the only one among the top riders.
It's difficult to say how the season will end, but I think it will be more difficult for Dovizioso to score more points, because apart from Le Mans, Ducati seems to me to be less in difficulty but more in difficulty.
In the sense that Dovizioso is doing well as a rider, but the other bikes, as in past seasons, are more competitive and apart from Smith, the others have certainly improved even further.
In my opinion, the points match at the end of the season will be an unrepresentative comparison. We will also have to see how things go with crashes and any injuries.
…discreet race? But, Andrea... what race did you see? The geriatrician always wins by detachment... especially for his fundamentalist Tavullian fans... today was a case of ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah , ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah , ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!!!
You are the one who always chases the parallel... only to be proven wrong in the race...
Is it a problem if we do it this time?
Last year it was worth putting on a show until the end…
He gave 23 seconds to Hayden against Dovi's 8 this year...
And above all he imposed himself on stoners…
He didn't take them from Pedro...
Anyway, great Pedro, absolute esteem, but imposing yourself on (your) phenomenon had a different flavor... ;)
Aeneas
ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!!!
But how can you draw a parallel with last year?? According to what you say then Rossi didn't take them from Pedrosa but he took them from Lorenzo who won and this year he finished 1st. As long as the track was wet the Ducati was perfectly capable of fighting for the podium. I respect Rossi for what he did, now it's half the rate of past years and he deserves recognition. And in any case it is not very convenient to compare Rossi's results with those of Dovi in Ducati...
…Fabio, it's useless…they just can't get there, they only talk about what is most convenient for them at the moment…let them suffer in silence…or almost (unfortunately)…
And why is it not convenient to compare Rossi and Dovi?
Are you sure?
After the fourth race in the last 3 years, these are the results:
2011
5 Valentino ROSSI Ducati 47
2012
6 Valentino ROSSI Ducati 42
2013
6 Andrea DOVIZIOSO Ducati 39
The results are slightly in favor of Vale, and in France the fact remains that he impressed more.
Aeneas
..and above all he imposed himself on Stoner..even in 2011 he "definitely" imposed himself on Stoner..let's say he knocked him to the ground ;-), however it seems to me that when Rossi fell he was behind Dovi...or am I wrong?
@AndreaG
Hi, Dovi had a great race: I'm happy for him, Hyden and above all Ducati.
As Fatman said in another post however... this race says little in terms of values.
Especially if we look at Vale's two "really mediocre" years in Ducati (without going into the usual merits or demerits) in terms of positions Dovi took them... and both Pedro and Jorge were there.
Marc wasn't there but, if I remember correctly... ;-) the werekangaroo was still running...
If anything... the real wish for Ducati, for its fans and also for me as a Bolognese is this: I hope it's not a flash in the pan of favorable circumstances (track/rain) for the red and already from the next race... usual long faces.
Dario Argento's latest film “Sprofondo Rossi” aired today at Le Mans….
…ah, ah, ah…Maremma? you are my declared idol....she is beautiful...who knows if she will be understood by these touchy people...in any case, know that the nurse will win at Mugello by detachment (sooner or later I will catch us)...ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!!!
ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!!!
You see! I too can be happy like that fat man!!! ^^
:)
Aeneas
…I'm happy that you're happy with a 12th place…how nice, you're happy….what a fundamentalist ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah , ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah , ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!!!
Throw yourself in Ticino...ah, I forgot, you live a little further south ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!!!
Caxxarola you beat me... I will never be able to write all these "ah"...!!! you're too far ahead!! :D
And in any case Lyon can afford to be naked... I doubt you... hihihi ^^
Aeneas
I'll be repetitive
have you already found the replacement for rossi?????????
don't even wait for it to stop??????
:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Given that Lorenzo is quite reliable, did you hear about the great Lorenzo at Fuori Giri?
Today nothing was going well with the bike, 5 tenths of a second away from the others (Honda), I don't know what's wrong either.
That's no excuse for Vale, I could care less; probably each of us watches his race.
Great Dovi: you finished two positions behind 2012 and one place behind 2011.
The World Cup is yours.
...leave Dovi alone and think about your idol...Lorenzo seventh and the nurse 12th...since you like facts...and cheer in peace with your cheering friends who I won't even mention...how nice...at the beginning of the year I remember that you wrote: “Marquez is young and immature”… “Lorenzo already has a tight face due to the presence of a loupe”…now look at the Ducatis and Cal…but shoot yourself ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah , ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah , ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah , ah, ah!!!
@Fatman
No dear, I play with you because I've learned to know you and I have fun: for you Rossi wins by separation?
For me Dovi and Ducati ;-);-)
Unlike some, you are also technical and friendly (not always but often).
I've learned to tolerate you on certain outings but, you know what they say... when the going gets tough the tough start playing (grandfather dixit)
...don't worry, you don't know me at all...I'll just tell you one thing: v@lem@rd@, my battle cry!!! Ah, I forgot...buy a motorbike, at least you'll understand certain things!!!
fatman, given that Dovi was first for a stretch of the race, he should have at least gotten on the podium but this didn't happen. you have to get it into your head that if Ducati could have given more, the Rossi would have brought out that more too.
great where
they feel bad because at least you try…….
:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
…great, rhyming couple…a true poet!!!
@Fatman
Hello beautiful man hahaha, I don't mind my friend Testoner, I'm pleased to note that he's back to posting...
I could care less if you say Vale@me@rda and do you know why?
I don't know you personally and in depth but... psychologically you always confirm to me that beyond sympathy and technical knowledge... you always discover the Achilles' heel and in you... I find it in all the posts, when ca@zz@eggi... ;-); -)
If you are serious however, unfortunately..., I stand at attention to read your gems.
Luckily ca@zz@get there too and let me come into your courtyard to play hahaha…
Instead of walking around in Bermuda shorts, put on long trousers, you can't see your heels and you are protected from harassment... ;-);-)
Silence damn! Federer is playing!! THE KING!
Also esteem for Nadal... pallettaro but a great... ;)
Aeneas
...yes, yes...change the subject...shame on you ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah , ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah , ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah , ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah , ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah , ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah , ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah , ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!!!
What do you want to talk about? of “ah ha”?
But you're too strong on this...!! I'm not behind you...!!! :D
Aeneas
To insult Rossi, it is enough to say that Crutchlow is ahead of him in the world rankings. However, the championship is still very (very) long, I have no idea what could happen.
Usually I don't like wet races, but this one is an exception: the top 5 all did great things. Well done.
hehehehehehehee
…and let it be… Rossi finished… sad end.
We hope for Mugello: but I believe in it less and less (almost not at all)…
...but it's not that it's not finished, of course...I'm having a lot of fun in these moments and I think about what the pundits on the forum wrote about the various Marc, Dani, Cal, Stefan etc...only to then take it all back at the first difficulty, as they will do in other things in life...typical average Italians...I enjoy this...I don't care much about the geriatrician...for them it's a social revenge, they suffer if he can't run and win like in past years...they empathize ...thank goodness I've always had everything...especially the brains!!!
Especially the weight...!!! ^^
Even the brain... sageraoooo... just because sometimes you play the little chemist...
BRAIN!!!! -_-
Aeneas
…enea, everything is really going wrong for you today….have you seen your f@rd@ Federer? In my opinion you will seriously think about suicide ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah!!!
eheheh with all the Kcal you're losing by dint of "haha" you'll become a fashion figure...hihihi ^^
Resign yourself to the fact that my life is a happy life, regardless of who wins or loses, yours is a sad life, as demonstrated by the fact that you need to vent here... ;)
And I think it's due to the fact that you're a fat guy from MM3RDA who drowns his sorrows at McDonald's or at the kebab shop :)
Aeneas
mc
...it's true, I let off steam...I'm fat...the fact remains that the geriatrician is 12th...mute ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah…I lost another kg…in a I'll be able to challenge you in the ring and inflate you like a rubber dinghy!!!
Enea lyon fat bilbo testane wilsic
If I forgot any of the usual ones, let me know if we agree I'll give you my username and password and you can see everything on the official website. races since 92 and interv etc etc
Fat
You would have to lose too many kilos just to stand next to me... ;) for the ring you have to start seriously believing in reincarnation...
And even so… ;)
Aeneas
Mike thanks… ;)
Aeneas
@Mike58
Thanks Mike but we all have to get fictitious emails to avoid scammers with their bullshit.
A week's fake email, email with clear user and subject and, after having the passwords, we delete the email.
Precaution against bimbiminkia ;-)
KI DOES IT BY FACE AND KI DOES NOT HAVE TO DO IT BY MAIL OR AS YOU WANT..
IT COSTS €100.. A LITTLE EXPENSIVE FOR ONLY ONE PERSON NO???
I PREFER TO GIFT THE ENTRY TO YOU PASSIONATE FRIENDS!!
THAT YOU APPRECIATE THE GP…
AT LEAST WE ALL DRINK FROM THE SAME SOURCE!!
THE USUAL 4 OR 6 OF US YOU ARE WELCOME.
Masssssssssssssssssssssssssssss out,
given the weather I'm going to sow some Habanero for the usual annual supply ;-);-)
Goodbye
Sorry but can't habanero be sown in February - March?
to get your blood burning... or watch the '46 races.
…ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah…wonderful!!!
…mugello, I'm laughing so much that I'll lose a lot of kilos and I'll get back in shape for testoner…when I go to visit him I'll be a fashion model!!!
this should be the spirit of the forum, i.e. fooling around, satire with truth but always on the satirical side instead there are ultras fans who border on ignorance. disease that affects many people, symptoms:
bigotry
mental closure
presumption
bad education.
the disease often degenerates and results in little professor syndrome (do I have the truth or do I know everything as the owner of the yellow hat)
It is the Pimenta of the Antilles (it is part of the Habanero family).
I put chilli pepper almost everywhere, it's good for the body and also for the brain (promotes oxygenation) ;-)
In fact, it should be planted a little earlier but, given the current spring... better these days, outdoors again.
Just to stay on the culinary theme... today I had a snack with an exceptional chestnut jam, apricot tart and then, towards the evening as an aperitif... snails à la cacciatora (escargot alla bourguignonne) with farmer's red wine.
What a sight, nothing but sadness for Vale…
For dinner... capocollo steak marinated from this afternoon, bowl of tropea, salad and cherry tomatoes and all... accompanied with a good Nobile...
I'm too disappointed about today's race: I'm a Tavulliaboys on the verge of suicide ;-);-)
With what I ate in fact… I might even die hahaha.
If tomorrow morning I wake up cheerful and singing as always, good sense... better a day as a "Lyon" ;-) than a life as a sheep ;-)
Ps: but..., no offense... you're obsessed with a@no... you put it in almost every post ;-);-)
In 2013 no one is scandalized anymore but yours seems like a obsession...
It's not my fault if it rhymes with Tavulliano hihi
Mugello aka Marco alias half of the new nicknames
Hearing you talk about the spirit of the forum and like hearing Ruby talk about virginity…
Let it go… ;)
Aeneas
Stonami77
I continue here as further up there is a brothel.
You stated that so far he has done better than he is worth.
The numbers say no. Point.
Now you tell me "let's wait for half the championship"...
A bit like you told me halfway through the last championship when Stoner was behind Pedro and Lore...
We wait for the end of the championship... and in fact he finished behind.
Now you'll tell me that he finished behind because he fell, and I might even agree with you, but then, observing your judgments on today's race, I'll say:
Whatever you say, if Stoner fell, whatever... he was looking for the limit and he fell...
Even today he fell while trying to reach the limit... and I too could say that if he hadn't slipped he would now be much closer to them in the rankings, and we would therefore be talking about something else... but that wasn't the case.
You always have double standards.
Aeneas
…listen to those who talk about weights and measures…but shut up, only I can talk about weight…suffer in silence and think about Mugello…maybe he wins by separation!!!
...don't twist the reasoning the way you want...certainly when I said let's wait for the end of the championship it was before the injury (after Germany and Mugello) probably after Laguna and before Indy...when Honda seemed to have solved Chatter's problems with the introduction of the new frame (which Stoner strangely didn't use)..then the Australian is injured, he missed 4 races and ran the last 4 as an impaired person...even if I'm a fan of his I don't consider myself so stupid as not to understand that at that point it was impossible for Casey to fight for the title and stay ahead of Jorge and Dani... maybe he would have gotten it even without the accident but I remember that in Laguna he had won by force and in Indy with only 15 minutes of testing he started 6th in grid, had always shown FP in the lead both in terms of pace and times...let's wait until the end anyway to have a Dovi - Rossi comparison...certainly Dovi is not doing worse than 9 times...he seems more at ease on the bike, furthermore the Ducati it seems like a cumbersome weight has been lifted... in my opinion they work more relaxed... I'll repeat my opinion on Rossi today: He certainly won't win his 10th title, in the best of scenarios he could win a maximum of 1-2 races, he won't always fight for the podium...and he will do less than Dani, Jorge and Marc...he will finish 4/5th in the championship.
But look, you're the one turning the conversation around...
;)
You didn't say that Dovi isn't doing worse than Vale, you literally stated: "Andrea is doing better than Rossi", and this is simply not true, what more do we have to talk about?
The points say it, and the tone of his post-match interviews confirms it, which is even worse than the Rossi era.
Except at Le Mans, but even Rossi was happy after the Le Mans race... he was certainly happier than Andrea... ;)
Look back at the interview after Jerez... where he is not only resigned, but even sarcastic about the update they would have tried, which was practically the bike that Pirro was riding...
You persist in saying that Dovi is doing better, just to belittle what little he has done is worth it, when it would be very simple to admit that the problem there is ducats.
Maybe the new management will put a patch on it, but so far the results and interviews with both Hayden and Andrea tell us that nothing has changed.
Regarding stoner, I'm not a sucker.
I know that Stoner, without injury, would probably have won the world championship, I know what a great rider he is, I give my judgments based on how you judge his worth.
You are cynical, so am I.
Every time you are told that Rossi had a serious injury in 2010, so he was unable to fight for the world championship, all the Stonerians remembered how he was already behind before the accident...
Stoner was also behind before the accident, so I'm cynical like you, and I don't give a damn if Stoner was actually in the world championship.
You understand?
Regarding Vale, I know well that the current Vale will hardly be able to compete with the best, I've been saying this for a long time.
So we're in agreement here.
Aeneas
..Ok ..so by the way: Dovi is not doing worse than Rossi..anyway we will see at the end of the world championship whether it will be the case to draw conclusions for or against Dovizioso..Ducati has had the usual problems for some time..but it seems to me that the riders are quite confident in the company's ability to solve them... Rossiani's development over the two years has led to nothing or little... let's see if Andrea will be able to provide better indications... he won't have the handle of Rossi or the other champions but I consider him a top driver and first and foremost a very serious guy and an excellent (if not one of the best) test drivers...
I agree 100% ;)
This is what I think too.
Aeneas
..."I've been saying this for a long time"...yes, for three races now...in Qatar you were radiant..now "farting" ah, ah, ah!!!
three races... three out of four, he ran well in Qatar, but the Rossi from Austin onwards did not.
Then?
Why do you have to make a quiet conversation between me and stoners unpleasant?
I'm starting to get tired.
Aeneas
... you're out of tune, it's calm... you're a little less so... if you want, prepare the match... heavyweight against featherweight... or "cock" if you prefer ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah…when I laugh I'm unbeatable…and I even get back in shape!!!
I'm very calm too, but it bothers me that you get involved in a discussion without having anything to say... ;)
Get in shape, because if you continue like this you'll need it... the fact that he's not a fat guy doesn't mean he's a featherweight... you can swear by it. ;)
Aeneas
if Dovi does better than Vale in ducati, the calculations can only be done at the end of the season. in any case, it may well be that he is better suited in terms of riding style but the fact remains that he too (as per his own admission) is struggling to achieve sixth place in the dry conditions precisely because the Ducati is still far from the Japanese pacesetters.
having said this, I reiterate as a fan of the doctor, that he no longer has a say in the MotoGP, those young men up front go faster, there's little to say, he just has to try the SBK road.