MotoGP: The opinion of Lucio Cecchinello and Cal Crutchlow on Casey Stoner's retirement
The LCR Team manager and the Tech 3 driver have their say on the Australian's withdrawal
The announcement of the Casey Stoner's retirement at the end of 2012 it "unleashed" various forms of "reading". There are those who have vigorously defended the decision of the Australian Honda rider and those who have played on it a little, above all due to the accusations launched (not so covertly) by the double MotoGP world champion against the environment and particularly to those who manage the circus. Among those who defend the choice of the former Ducati rider could not be missing Lucio Cecchinello, who had Stoner first in 250cc and then in MotoGP.
“I'm not very surprised by his decision, because he always said that his plan was to demonstrate his potential, win the world title and then say goodbye – Cecchinello told MCN – He won two titles, so he also remained more than what he said from the beginning, when he was racing for us. If Casey has decided to retire it means that he has lost his motivation and it makes no sense to continue riding a motorbike at 350km/h without being motivated. He achieved his main goals. Maybe right now he is looking for something else in his life and I absolutely respect his decision. I have a lot of special memories, because he surprised everyone with his incredible talent. Everything he does on the track is very natural and everyone has difficulty understanding how fast he can be. My special memory is when he made his debut in the MotoGP class with us. Wow! He took pole position surprisingly in Qatar and fought for the win very early on. He was on the podium already in his third race.”
Cal Crutchlow for his part praised the Australian driver for his frankness in his farewell press conference.
“I completely agree with what he said, but he's the only b**h who can say it. Since he retires he can say things that we who continue cannot say, because we all need a saddle for next year and if the championship goes towards CRTs you can't speak badly of them. However, Casey's opinion is right and I agree with everything he said. I think every other driver thinks the same thing, but doesn't want/can't say it. "
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Dear Stoner you have every right to do what you like. Retire but please don't be moral with a full belly and a bulging wallet. It was enough to say: I'm bored and I'm doing something else.
In all markets and jobs there are situations that are often piloted and controlled and everyone gets by as best they can. If you wanted to feel like a hero, dear Casey, you should have done it now and stayed to see how it ends. Or why don't you give up immediately, giving up your generous salary today?
Another thing dear Stoner, You never clarified why the environment is rotten. You only gave vague justifications regarding the environment, without ever mentioning names or brands. After all, you have a winning bike and the support of everyone at Honda. In my opinion you are psychologically fragile. You can't handle tension. In fact, the same thing happened to you in the recent past.
I would like to clarify a fundamental aspect. Mine is a criticism of the Stoner as a man of image and not of the driver as the undisputed champion. Convenient to take money from an environment and then disgrace it without bringing significant contributions and clarifications. Gentlemen, these pilots are all champions and are also well paid by the very environment that they themselves criticize. But what's Stoner complaining about now?
he refused 12 million euros for the next season alone... but how can you criticize him for the money issue?!? you are worse than giorgio terruzzi
He rejected them because he already took enough to retire. Even a fool would understand it!
Meanwhile, he hasn't explained to us where the problem lies. I wish it had been clear in the expositions. Names, surnames and facts. Everything else is bar talk. Other champions have left but no one has ever spit on the plate she ate from. Stoner should have more respect for many people who work in this sport. By not mentioning names and facts, it throws into the mix many people who work honestly and don't deserve it! Then put your thumbs down. Put your head in the sand. Being a fan is a bad thing: it doesn't make you evaluate the reality in which you live.
@michele antonelli
no one can say where the rot is with names and surnames perhaps you are missing all the legislation... if he had mentioned names and surnames he would have been sued by the boss who as you can imagine has just a lot more euros than stoners
then anyway you are the data, you can see them but if you don't want to see them you wouldn't see them even if they told you, just look at the contracts and the regulatory changes
In my opinion, the rotten (and stupid) lies also in those people who are convinced that Stoner retired in 2009 because he was "psychologically demolished by Rossi"... Stoner is also referring to this... and in any case it is his choice and I don't judge the other people's choices... much less people I don't know... I prefer to judge the Stoner driver (like Rossi, Lorenzo etc.) and I say that he is a crystal clear champion, a fearsome handler with a pure talent for speed; Unlike you, I don't judge the Stoner man..that's why he already has a wife and a daughter who will give him report cards..greetings.
No one, not even I, have expressed any opinion on Stoner's private life. There is talk of Stoner as an image man (VIP) who has responsibilities towards the public which he pays. Precisely because no one has the right to pass judgment on his private life, he should not express judgments (among other things without giving explanations) on a world that has given him so much. Champions are not only on the track but also off it. Today managing your image is as important as running.
And here are the usual comments from Valentinians who are all too excited. For goodness sake, I like to see Vale running and winning, but it's his fanatics who aren't objective and who piss me off, because they don't know how to see anything else other than Vale. Is it very difficult to see that Vale is like Casey and that he too can't do much without a competitive bike? Apparently yes, but happy with you... Having said that, I more than agree that Casey wants to retire: on the other hand he said that he no longer feels motivated and is right to stop at the end of the season to dedicate himself to something else , going beyond the system of money, image and salaries... And above all he said what he thought, and did nothing but well, even at the cost of seeming a little harsh towards a world that is no longer so fascinating.
Frankly, telling him to leave immediately like this is simply MERE controversy and a bit of hatred towards someone who, until proven otherwise, has to fight for the current world championship. If he had nothing to lose, he could certainly give up the bike today, but it must be seen that retiring now would be a big problem to find a replacement who is a worthy replacement (unfortunately I don't even consider Pedrosa... he seems like the Massa of MotoGP to me... ) that gives results like the good Casey. I wish him only the best for this year and for the future, and he will indeed miss a guy so fast and so competitive who has broken Rossi's dominance of these years a little. You can't always win, can you?
Cal Crutchlow knows more than all of us, who understood the meaning of his statement?
I do.
Let's avoid nonsense like "beatings" because with Casey it's hard for anyone, I for one, if Rossi comes back on a Honda or a Yamaha they turn me around because I can't get confirmations or denials of what I think.
It took Rossi's last race to bring you back to sanity...
Finally you can chat on this forum without hearing nonsense things like "Rossi boiled", Rossi "bluff" etc etc..
Coming back to us... I'm sorry that a champion with Stoner's talent is leaving... I'm really sorry, for the way he's leaving, and for the show that will be affected... the Rossi Stoner duels are priceless... let whoever wins.
Aeneas
no it wasn't the last race because if you look there would be the conditions for MotoGP fans, regardless of their support, to insult certain fans for every post... it was the fans saying "but why are we fighting each other, let's go back to talking without responding to certain posts following the line of flame but that of dialogue” result = more dialogue
I'm sorry not only that stoner is leaving but that this sport has become a $port and therefore a ***
I'm reporting Cal's words because maybe they were missed. “I completely agree with what he said, but he's the only one who can say it. Since he retires he can say things that we who continue cannot say, because we all need a saddle for next year and if the championship goes towards CRTs you can't speak badly of them. However, Casey's opinion is right and I agree with everything he said. I think every other driver thinks the same thing, but he doesn't want/can't say it.”
ahahahh this is nice... "It took Rossi's last race to bring you back to sanity" ahahahah the joke of the anus...
I have actually already had many confirmations and confirmed them in the last three years, it's a shame I won't have the definitive one but never mind, Casey will remain the greatest for me in any case.
the confirmations are that without walls, tires and better material he has to keep his ears down for the beatings he would receive from both Casey and Lorenzo. and also from cal if it arrives in official.
the absurd thing is reading the comments, in short, 2 have confirmed the rottenness of motogp
and think that everyone knows but can't talk about it, who knows, maybe in the future someone will say other things or everything, imagine what would come out, what a shock, how I hope so!
Stoner complains, as we can see that he has never worked in a factory or in a call center, he feels frustrated... and without passion, the truth is that he knows that he will never have a Honda like this again, and then the Champion he is the one who compares himself with different generations, he won't do it and for this reason he is an undisputed Talent but not a champion.
but you are there or you do…. she gave up, she has 12 million and you have the courage to write certain things... but think of the person who took 19 races to talk about it again. and if he got to the front it was only because he had nothing to lose. falling or standing made no difference to him.
hearing TavulliANO fans poke their heads out after a year is priceless, for everything else there's Mastercard
you understand a lot. graaande. someone who nicknamed his son Casey tells you this.
Come on honestly, seriously, if you understand us and are passionate about the 2-wheel circus, no rider is a plague in the smaller classes, a true Fantozzi of the smaller motorbikes... and then suddenly he arrives and becomes unbeatable in MotoGP. Look at the CV of Rossi and the others. Checa matured on superbikes at 40,
after so many defeats...Stoner is hiding something and sooner or later we will find out, but it is certainly not a positive thing!
in fact, since he ran against Stoner and Lorenzo his CV is very poor... open your eyes Valentino fans.
already a stoner hides something, a right wrist that like few others in recent years enthuses the true fans, the ones without colors, the ones who appreciate all the spectacle on and off the track
Rossi fans have more respect for the only real person who exists in MotoGP. giving up 12 million euros is not a small thing. unlike the mercenary who spits on the plate where he eats only because he is not capable of riding inferior motorbikes.
I myself don't know if I could do it... anyway sn 12000000000 (did I put that right?) to be admired just for this
Affixed = 1 vehicle that goes 2 seconds faster than the others…..I agree!!!!
READ!!!!!!!!!! http://www.erimata.it/articolo.php?id_articolo=7496
stoner has nothing left to prove
he won with a bike that Rossi was unable to use
maybe now Rossi will be able to get away with it but the one he's riding now is no longer a Ducati...so he hasn't proven anything
we went from a special bike to a bike like the others
as for the rottenness, I think it refers to the rumors spread around about his family
come on Casey you're number one
I will miss you but I think you made the right choice!
but sorry, this guy is 27 years old, he's very rich, he has a beautiful young wife, a beautiful family, he will be free to retire and enjoy life without risking breaking his neck at every race. Then the statements he makes they may like it or not, he's not a genius just because he rides fast, maybe he too can say stupid things like the rest of us. Vale is also great and is second to none and it could be that he doesn't get along well with the Ducati ,I would criticize him for tax evasion than anything else.
I can't wait for him to go, I hate pilots when they run away like rabbits!
And those who when Yamaha wanted Casey and someone forbade him or when someone wants the walls or always when someone changed teams to avoid having a direct confrontation with Lorenzo what is it if Casey is a rabbit?
Furthermore, Casey doesn't retire because he's "afraid" of someone, or rather anyone, but for other excellent reasons.
I hate drivers when they win easily alone, I prefer fighting, shoulder blows, insults etc etc!
…the hares, not the rabbit…although the yellow tortoise would also arrive behind that (with a dry track..)
@ Jorge el ****
apart from the fact that your nickname is an insult... and it's really annoying to read it, but moreover your posts are all the same oh we understand that for you everyone except valentino is a coward... you simply broke up
Hello reader, when you prefer insults as you say you understand everything.
If it stopped at "fight" and "shoulder thrusts" or anything else that is involved in competition I could understand but with insults ergo unnecessary tension for sport, sorry no.
I agree with you reader.
“Whacked by Vale”!?
The only time there was a real brawl and he beat him was that famous race at Laguna Seca; but if I remember correctly they had two very different bikes, and even if I think the overtaking at the corkscrew was splendid, it wasn't exactly clean.
Here it doesn't work like in athletics or football, in motorcycling there is an engine between the rider and the asphalt...
Titian
then Lorenzo arrived, spies and the brawls ended!
ridiculous if there is no show it's not Casey's fault but the others who can't overtake him. I'm only sorry for Lorenzo because Casey and Camomillo are really humble, unlike Rossi who wins and if he wins it's the fault of whoever pays him handsomely. if you prefer call him a tax evader since you have the courage to talk too much about the fact that Casey has a full belly...
Cecchinello says that Stoner's plan was to win, show how strong and healthy he was.
and for Cecchinello Stoner he ran in 2005-2006.
if Rossi hadn't made a controversy about the advantage of the tires (sensible analysis, if we think that Rossi won the title the following year with the bridge tires and Pedrosa abandoned the Michs halfway through the year out of desperation, in defiance of the contracts), or if stoner, had he immediately won again, he probably would have retired back then.
it's confirmation that he has never liked racing a motorbike so much, on the contrary.
This is why I don't understand the cries about Dorna that would have kept him away from MotoGP. I don't believe it very much, and I don't understand what the hell Dorna did to push him away. I ask users who take these reasons for granted to explain them to all of us. Or are you also afraid of being sued?? (but please!!!)
the only explicit reason given by stoner is the rule that prohibits rookies from using the official bike.
explain to me what the fuck could he care about??
put tobacco in what you smoke, because I think you dreamed the statements you said....casey the rooky story was the last thing he said.
ahahhaha…you're sick!
read the first lines of the article, cecchinello also says that he is surprised that it wasn't withdrawn sooner.
but can you read?
what the heck does it have to do with him making rookie history?
I already wrote to you yesterday about smoking more tobacco and less of other things. read what I wrote if you know how to read. you brought up the story of the rookies…….
the story of the rookies brought up stoner, complaining about the dorna.
it wasn't the last thing he said, but the ONLY thing, the rest are allusions….
and you don't respond to what Cecchinello said?
So what did Dorna do to drive the kangaroo away?
I read very well, but you write badly, it's not that easy to understand.
in the meantime you take the negative comments... I know how to read, maybe I write badly because I'm probably not 15 years old like you who were born on computers... anyway remember that Casey complained about the fact of the withdrawal due to lactose in 2009 that everyone has made to seem like an excuse and then for all the regulation changes they make for the disgusting guy who drives the red…. and for many other things that I won't list because you wouldn't understand anyway.
then explain to me something else since you think you know everything... what was the world champion m1 doing in the living room of a house not registered in the name of Rossi but with him inside when the inspectors from the revenue agency arrived. ps I'm the illiterate one.
so much nonsense on this forum
I did a little research here and there.
Our Australian kangaroo is the second highest paid "sportsman" in Australia, ahead of Webber. From a weighted average of wages and bonuses he has put away a sum equal to 100 million euros (which translated into old lire is around 200 billion. Now that he gives up 12 million euros it's as if I gave up on buying a bicycle. I don't know if I'm paying the idea. He and a tribe of Aztec Indians have enough to live without working. Thanks to the rottenness of the Moto GP the kangaroo has made a fortune from Uncle Scrooge, while whoever has paid is considered "bad". So dear Australian beaver if you cared about this sport you should have stayed in it to help clean up the dirt you say is there.
Behind the dirt there are motorcycle manufacturers that invest millions and millions and where there are thousands of jobs, made up of people who earn a lot for 1.500 euros a month. Precisely out of respect for these families you should have increased their hopes and the work they do. Giving shine to this sport increases the hopes of thousands of workers. Dear little beaver, you took the money and now you spit in the dish you ate and contribute to demolishing a market. Keep the fans away. Compliments!
It has always been said that complaining to those who take more is frustrating.
it was said when the sic died... it was said when he had evaded taxes (in that case it's not taking more, it's evasion)
now with stoner he gets more than you and you're getting under it you're only thinking about the money and you shoot out the figure of 1500 euros a month well I get less but I'm not complaining about stoner's withdrawal maybe you haven't understood yet that it's not stoner who it's starving us but someone else... and I'll stop here because we get into politics and it is expressly forbidden to insert political posts
dear reader, if I took the liberty of bringing up the tax issue it is only for the sake of a few people who dare to call the writer illiterate. I'm new to these things also because my free time is limited, contrary to what some people write…. Anyway, we almost agree on everything about your comments. greetings from max
first you have to explain these numbers to me where you found them because what you said is impossible. first of all he has been earning mediocre salaries since 2008 comparing them to second rate pilots because he is not a mercenary like red socks. 2 calculating an average of 6 million per year plus sponsors that figure is pure invention. then when you come back you have 200 billion there are those who evaded it and you have the courage to defend him again... then sorry if he settled and only paid 17 if I remember correctly. and remember that if pilots earn so much it's not their fault if they risk their lives. If we were all born freaks or assholes like Scarsino Rossi we were all in MotoGP. go werekangaroo.
the usual insults
but I see that these do not disturb the reader.
the analphete above should also find out more about the history of the escape.
Rossi had residence in London, so according to the law he didn't owe the taxman a penny.
finance accused him of spending too much time in Italy and of having too many assets here.
but everything had to be proven, there was a trial to be held, and more than a few lawyers were saying that Rossi would win the case with the state.
the plea bargaining was also and above all a media and image event.
small aside: most of the motogp stars live in london or monaco (example: biaggi and capirossi, who had trouble with the tax authorities but no one noticed). who knows why huh?
@ Marco
you should give me a little less pain
I'm not online all day doing nothing like you who can afford to always reply to everyone
@maximum
Scarsino Rossi (just to repeat what you said) evaded 120 million and gave about half of it... now that it's not fair and that he had to pay it all + various more we already said it 5 years ago
@ Marco
Are you happy now that I responded
you could have answered without having to bring me into it... but you probably like to flame
also because I would like to point out that the insults I have always referred to are those of attacks on blog users and then if someone distorts the name of a pilot he already comments on himself... I'm probably right there and my nickname is right there but if really I'm right there, don't bring me up and make some complaints in appropriate language... you could have written what I wrote as a response too... then let's not complain if the blog goes down the drain
No one doubts that Stoner is a champion, we all agree that his farewell to MotoGP is a shame but..., before reaching Vale's levels, if he had the "balls" to stay, he would have to eat it a lot of polenta and osei….
For the detractors of the “Doctor”...: sbarbi went to give away the ciap
the times were beautiful when you had to fight with barros ukawa and gibernau…. if they returned he would still be fighting for the world championship even with ducati. and I also think without walls, tires and much more but I don't want to be repetitive because there is already a child called Marco who scolds me.
you spout huge bullshit and insult the second or third best driver in history with the language of a half-illiterate bimbominkia and I'm a child?
the Italian language has nothing to do with knowing how to use the PC, idiot.
nothing to say about Cecchinello's statements?
for 2009 stoner has to blame the journalists, certainly not with dorna or his colleagues, who had not said a word about it.
you didn't write the reasons that I couldn't understand because you didn't know what to write, since what Chesi is alluding to remains a mystery.
does Dorna change the regulations to favor reds?? this speaks for itself!!! haha
regarding the fact of the m1 in the living room, you only confirm what I said. we had to see HOW LONG the red ones spent there. I realize that trying to reason through objective facts with an ultra-leader of the Stonerist curve, or worse anti-red, is like trying to teach math to a chicken...so...you know what?
you're right!
This is exactly the fact: he doesn't leave, not because he doesn't have the balls... but precisely because he does and has the courage to say no and send everyone to f***
then someone who doesn't have the balls dreams of running like that
But forget it, Stoner also won a world championship thanks to the tires but they keep saying it's thanks to him.
what you say is very true, but we also need to add a very small detail, there were 2 brands of tires and that year Bridgestone made tires that were significantly better than Michelin. without taking away the fact that capirossi finished well behind stoner.
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where the rot is in MotoGP, with objective and documented facts, not with slogans.
let's stoner try to live the life of a worker and deal with the state and bloodsucking employers and then let's see if the dorna seems rotten to him.
cruchlow complains about crt?
perhaps he is not intelligent enough to understand that the crisis, and therefore the lack of money, are certainly not caused by ezpeleta.
as for the regulations, I have always heard from journalists, experts, insiders, that not a leaf moves if HONDA doesn't want it, which makes the good and bad weather in the manufacturers' association, which holds the dorna for the balls.
tell me the truth, you're a kid right?
fortunately there is freedom of worship, continue to pray to your god and we pray to ours, you are worse than those who come home early on Sunday morning to make you go to their worship... I would do this to you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw1QIHbMvmw :)
@ Marco
until you know how to reply in calm terms even in the face of insults you will always be there... but will you stop? I know you're not an idiot
@tdavide
Precisely because there is freedom of worship I'm asking you stoner ultras where the rottenness of MotoGP is that would have pushed him to retire. she withdraws because she doesn't want to anymore, period.
I still don't see any response on this.
so?
If you don't talk shit about Valentino Rossi, are you stupid?
but what is this, a Taliban mosque?
I leave you to your prayers, as I already said, you are right.
poor stoner, forced to retire from the dorna-rossi-mediaset mafia
Who are you to judge what I write?
have you elected yourself as moderator of the blog? this is not a forum, otherwise, before banning me for the insults, I would actually ban those I reply to for the trolls they write.
I'm proud to send those who write rubbish to get it from there.
What a spoiled brat you are
every post of yours is a flame
damn I would like to discuss motogp in a friendly way instead of reading flames or trolls
from other parts also blasphemies...
this is why I'm bothering my *** not because I'm a self-elected moderator but because I would simply like to post calmly without someone who doesn't think like me busting my balls in every post but who confronts me without causing flames
you want to discuss motogp amiably as long as no one speaks badly of stoner and his fans.
the first to flame was Massimo, who replied "put tobacco in what you smoke" to an innocuous post of mine.
but you only noticed my answers.
for example tdavide85 intervened just to bust balls but the champion of healthy sporting discussions didn't show up.
my friend, you are not the impartial sportsman you think you are, but rather a stadium fan like many others.
At least I try to argue with facts, others just spout slogans.
spoiled child? what do you do, preach well and scratch badly?
ah, regarding the declarations on the rottenness of the motogp of stoner and craccilo, and on your consent, your posts where you say that they said it BEN IN 2 (!!!!!!) and that it is there for all to see …..well I'll tell you in the calmest way possible that in my opinion it's all gigantic nonsense, and I would be grateful if you would enlighten me on this background which seems increasingly incomprehensible to me.
thanks
I prefer not to respond to useless people.... I started writing three days ago and I immediately stop writing. It's one thing to make jokes and another to deal with someone rude. and sorry guys but I'm talking only and exclusively about a certain Marco. Hi everyone
Poor thing, come on, don't be so fat.
However, the person who started with "put tobacco in what you smoke" is certainly not me.
in here a party can write whatever they want and insult as they like.
the others are lynched if they get half a word wrong.
there are also moralizers who moralize in one direction.
I'm having a lot of fun! :D
Oh, what a shame we have lost an eminent commentator and esteemed fan. I agree with Marco, Stoner said everything and more, he made a senseless salad, he mentioned something but it is not clear what the real reason for the withdrawal is. If everyone were like him, sport wouldn't exist, there's rottenness everywhere and sports are all sick. However, withdrawing is of no use, in fact he should stay and fight to change things if ever. Among other things, when he was a chick he took the money from Ezpeleta and Dorna to make him race, only now to say that it's all rotten, comfortable like that right? Why didn't he go when he was pissed and sleeping in a trailer? Oh yeah, first he got rich like shit and now he's a champion.
@Marco
You say the things I said a few posts above. This Stoner has not only made a fortune with the motorbike (I repeat approximately 100 million euros. He is the second highest paid sportsman in Australia and ahead of Webber) and now he is moralizing, having among other things a winning motorbike under the ass. He complains about I don't know what (For me he's still boiling like some time ago). But the most absurd thing are the die-hard fans who don't even know how to deal with a sportsman. In this case Vale also made quite a bit of money. But I've never seen him rubbish without naming names.
I was saying that in the environment that he (Stoner) defines as rotten he made millions of euros. In the face of those who work in factories or the unemployed and above all those who build motorbikes.
Cal you practically just said it too...watch out for the saddle that ends up with Eze sawing you off..
gnègnè mom they touched it :'(
ahahhaha…..what a smart answer!!!
another genius!!
meanwhile no one told me what the elusive Dorna rottenness is, nor did they tell me why Cecchinello, who was his team manager for 2 years, declared that Stoner was already planning to retire back then.
but the stoner who no longer has a passion for racing said it!!
the truth is that you stoner Taliban have read in the senseless allusions of yours an implicit confirmation of the absurd theses of favoritism and conspiracies in favor of VR, you also know that it's all bullshit but you like to believe it, and above all to write it here.
Kindergarten kids…..grow up people
and who ever said it was a pro vale conspiracy????? the way I think they are working to make all the bikes CRT the times in which they favored Vale have disappeared a long time ago, since he left the Michelins for Bridgestone. 90% of the rules they make are in favor of Honda…
but what the hell did they favor! but stop with this nonsense.
with all the interests involved, giants like honda, yamaha, michelin, start favoring this or that rider...because then.
Michelin made the Friday night tires in the period 2005-2006, in the races in which the Bridgestones performed better, obviously they could only make them for the 2 or 3 drivers in the best position, because they wanted to win, certainly not to let Rossi win .
anyway in 2007 these things were banned, much to the delight of bridgestone, ducati and stoner.
Are these Dorna's gifts to Rossi?
Even the stones know that Honda dictates the rules, even if many pretend nothing happens.
so what is stoner complaining about?
of the crt?
perhaps he missed the "slight" crisis underway, or that Kawasaki and Suzuki have withdrawn (for economic reasons, certainly not sporting ones), that the remaining manufacturers refuse to make more than 4 bikes, (4×3= 12), that the motogps leased, not even owned, cost the remaining teams the same as the mir space station.
Who told you this tale?
because I don't remember the superiority of Bridgestone in 2005 and 2006, given that the top of the rankings were all Michelin...since you say so much about showing proof, now show them the proof of the conspiracy (bridgestone, ducati stoner)...
but what conspiracy? you are the conspiracy theorists.
It's a fact that in 2007 Dorna banned Michelin from making tires specifically on race weekends. no proof is needed.
in 2005 capirossi was uncatchable at sepang and motegi thanks to the tyres. on other tracks it did not exist.
Capirossi himself, in addition to winning 2 races in 2006, was widely in the running for the world championship, and without the accident at the start in Barcelona he would have won the title. then there was the Ducati double in Valencia.
in the end he was third or fourth in the world championship, but they all finished close. Loris was the only bridge wheeled top driver, supplying ducati, suzuki and maybe kawa.
happy?
I'll give you some advice: if you want to argue with me, DO YOUR DOCUMENTATION FIRST
indeed, Capirossi third in the world championship, about twenty points behind Hayden with 3 victories, despite not having raced in Barcelona due to the after-effects of the fall at the start, and having raced the following 2 GPs in pitiful physical conditions
poor people who don't know what they write. 2007 Casey world champion the second Ducati in seventh place' second place final Rossi with Michelin third place Pedrosa with Michelin. 2007 2010 Stoner fights for victory and podium while the other Ducatis are last penultimate third last only to then see the second official sailing between 5th or 6th place. away stoner the void from 2011 onwards 2 podiums of which one thanks to retirements and the last due to the skill of the reds but also of prudence for those fighting for the world championship. then I remind you that the stoner family sold everything to let their son run, so much so that they lived in a camper for a long time. then if, thanks to the talent he brought out by paying to race, someone helped him, he also deserved it. he was criticized for crashing but then when Rossi also confirmed that if you take this bike to the limit you risk it then you threw away that excuse. he had problems with the scaphoid of his hand, so much so that he had to be operated on and they massacred him. he had lactose problems and you accused him of suffering from blood pressure. until 2011 he was the lowest paid top player and now come and say what he complains about…. not to mention the regulations made during motorcycle development. he remains and will remain the only rider to have brought a gate to the world championship. no offense to ducati.
I apologize and correct myself. in 2007 Pedrosa second and Rossi third. sorry for the mistake.
poor people are not good.
However, it is very true that Stoner worked miracles with the Ducati.
However, in 2007 it was obvious that Bridgestone was ahead on many tracks, sometimes the Suzukis were behind Stoner.
stoner was the only top driver with bridges, hence the ranking
Rossi did everything to get them the following year (and won the world championship), and Ducati and stoners were pissed off like wild animals when they learned that Rossi would have them... why??
perhaps because they knew they had an inferior means. and then because they are the ones who took the risk and developed the tyres. then it wasn't because of this that Casey won but only because of the handle above the norm that he has, see how I have already written to you about the remaining years spent in Ducati and count the victories and podiums with a vehicle from the bottom of the rankings. as long as you don't feel upset seeing certain numbers since they run in the same class and with very different vehicles. As already written, see the rankings from 2007-2010 and compare King Stoner with his brand mates. to see a ducati win by removing stoner you just had to turn the rankings backwards.
I have no problem admitting that stoner worked miracles (AS HE ALREADY WROTE).
It's you who say that Rossi stole 9 world championships with conspiracies...ridiculous
However, you can confirm that the bridges were better... on the other hand, if behind Stoner there was Vermuelen or Hopkins and not Rossi or Pedrosa...
did they risk it? when I had the same tires as the others (2004), they were at the bottom of the table.
you'll understand what they had to lose!
the truth is that they also knew they had an advantage.
then the elusive rottenness of the dorna if you haven't understood it is the fact that first it disintegrated the moto gp and then it wants to repair it with crt and ridiculous regulations. but you would like to go around the track with a motorbike that you have prepared to your size with tires that you like and when you are about to enter they tell you that you have to throw 4 extra kilos under your ass and put on the tires that they tell you to they… it's not a stoner defense but I think 'everyone' should have a tire to choose like in the past. otherwise we'll have a single-brand store and let the technology and prototypes go to hell. Once upon a time the regulations only said engine capacity and weight, then everyone had to try to make the best of their bikes.
It was the economic crisis that disintegrated MotoGP, not Dorna.
the regulations are decided more than anything else by the manufacturers, Honda in the lead.
without crt there would be 12 bikes...do it yourself
As for the tyres, Bridgestone does what it wants, Dorna doesn't hit the mark.
bringing only 2 compounds and a rain compound is ridiculous.
Dorna, the manufacturers and the riders have tried to get the tire manufacturer to change its policy. but he responded like this or nothing. perhaps they would have done well to try to change supplier, yes.
last year everyone was complaining about cold tire flights.
they brought tires with a softer casing that warm up faster, obviously some bikes could be affected, that's the bad thing about single tyres.
on the other hand, even with stoner, Ducati has been getting worse from year to year... perhaps the path taken by the development of (Japanese) tires was poor for Honda and Yamaha?? wow! I have the doubt.
I don't see anything rotten in all this, nothing that could lead a champion to retire.
they are decisions that someone has to make and then maybe they turn out to be wrong, but in hindsight it's always easy
but stoner said that as the reason and it doesn't suit you... so far ok but from here to having to try to convince everyone that that's not the reason it doesn't suit you? we got it! but if someone like Valentine had said it, everything would be ok, right?
anyway you are also confirming that there is something rotten in motogp
PS
Don't count the CTRs, they're there to make up the numbers, it's as if from next year only Ferrari and McLaren will remain in F1... they give him the possibility of a third car and the GP 2s follow behind him
I don't see anything wrong, I see a difficult situation that Dorna has to deal with in some way......who was ezpelata to make Suzu and Kawa withdraw?
stoner made allusions without giving any reason.
for me he wanted to retire regardless, and while he was at it, he shot at the people he's up there with for his own reasons that I don't understand.
If it had been red I would have said the same things.
to be his fan I try to be at least impartial...ME
but whoever is in charge is Dorna or Brigstone... and whoever changes the regulations currently being developed... certainly not Honda or Yamaha. these regulation changes cause manufacturers' costs to skyrocket because they are forced to overturn projects developed for an entire year. in 10 years of 4 strokes the displacement has changed 3 times and with the return to the thousand it's not like they could take out the old ones. this is not an out of the ordinary waste in your opinion. the old 500s went on for many, many years so they only received constant updates. not to mention the engine quotas and the reduction in consumption which entails research into technology and engine parts that certainly won't lower costs. b. day everyone.
and Kawasaki certainly had no money problems. also because for them motorbikes are the last thing on their minds as they are a world power in various sectors. many who preferred to pay penalties and salaries that cost them almost more than a season...
Testoner, I'm sorry to contradict you but I've always read EVERYWHERE that the various regulatory changes were wanted above all by mother Honda, who has the power to drag the other Japanese manufacturers along and put Ducati in the minority.
an example: the rcv 1000 was a 5-cylinder. coincidentally, by moving to the 800 they could use the same engine (to the extreme obviously, it's not really like that) by simply removing a cylinder.
who really wanted the motogp 4t? (and found itself with a technical advantage that it didn't have with the 500, except in Max Biaggi's delirium) Honda...reread the newspapers of the time
who passes at 800? honda…etc. etc
under a single tire regime the tire dealer does what he wants, and either you adapt or you adapt. Dorna can't do anything about it except change supplier. (if the houses agree)
ps: riddle: which manufacturer mounts Bridgestones as standard for production bikes?
so why did this year's regulation ban Honda from making 5 cylinders by imposing i4... then answer all the questions, not just the ones that are convenient for you. and I recommend at most a little bit of mischief and not rudeness like your usual. It's one thing to joke and another to offend like your usual, also because I remind you that they take the money and we support them.
rude as usual?
how dare you?
your friends freely insult whoever they want (see the late Massimo, who was the first to flame) and I'm rude?
if someone says something contrary to yours, trying to justify what they say with facts... (by the way... which questions didn't I answer?) do you join forces and call them rude? as I said I entered the mosque.
Honda will have banned the 5 cylinder because the other manufacturers will have rebelled and didn't want to take it in that place for the umpteenth time.
Anyway I said my opinion, I think following a logical thread.
but as a song says
“a man only sees what he wants to see”
the late Massimo was probably a little older, and from what I understand from reading his messages, I hope he doesn't get offended. you are really rude and think you are superior to everyone. that's the only reason I wrote to you not to be rude. Then remember that whoever is in charge and decides on tires and regulations is just an ezeplet. and the questions you have not answered are all listed above. first of all the fact that in ten years the engine capacity has been changed 3 times and so on. see above
rude a horn. you continue to offend. do you stop it?
read your members' comments on the news about Rossi.
those are rude.
commands only ezpeleta?? but when ever, I repeat, I'm not making this up, I've always read in newspapers and forums, for years and years and years, that the technical regulations are dictated mainly by Honda, and in any case by the manufacturers.
This applies especially to displacement changes.
on the other hand, those with more resources and technology are more advantaged by having to rebuild the bike from scratch, it seems obvious to me.
that decides everything ezpeleta is news, if you are convinced of it, because stoner said it, it's your business.
if it takes 60% to change the rules, it is clear that the Japs were in agreement or indifferent about the weight.
if ducati proposed it, it doesn't mean that he decided on ducati. and then the Japanese also want a competitive Ducati.
anyway...now I'm broke.
I don't want to undermine your religion.. you're right.... ezpeleta is destroying motogp to get Rossi to win again. happy?
and then since Honda is in charge as you say, why was Ducati enough to change the weight rule. which among other things first agreed with Honda and Yamha and then when they realized that the project needed to be redone they accepted the change in regulations. but the regulation doesn't say that 60 percent decides the rules... or does it only apply to the tires…
forget it there is no deafer than those who don't want to hear ;)
it may be so but I would like to know this boy's teachers... what he says is law while what others say is fantasy. once someone has had the balls to say a thousandth of the rubbish that exists in this sport they even attack him. in fact he attacks him….
but sorry for a moment Marco but in 2007 who arrived behind stoner.. doesn't seem like vermulen and hopper to me. it seems to me that the final ranking said brig michelin michelin….. I think you are poorly informed or too young to remember. many times newspapers or websites are not enough to look back on.
Still:
Ezpeleta is destroying motogp to let Rossi win and Stoner retire..
happy?
give me up!!!!!! I said my opinion, it's not law. but yours isn't the law either.
goodbye
but come on, don't get so heated... I know that many times the truth hurts.
ahahaha...who's getting hot...it's just that, as funny as it is, you've bored me....hello, custodian of the truth!!
riddle for Marco... who is Brigstone test driver and image man... try to guess and if you don't know go and do research...
Desperately looking for answers from Marco... about who is a Brigstone test driver and who is an image man. if you see him tell him to look carefully, because I'm tired of waiting 2 days for half-answers from him. if you can help him.