MotoGP: Honda tests concluded in Brno, satisfaction for Marquez and Pedrosa
The two standard bearers of the Repsol Honda Team leave Brno with positive feelings
Marc Marquez and Dani Pedrosa concluded three days of testing today on the track in Brno, Czech Republic. The two Repsol Honda Team riders used these three days both to prepare for the season finale and to take the prototype of the bike to the track 2015. Pedrosa completed 16 laps today with the current bike, while Marquez did 41 with the 2014 version and 5 with the 2015 prototype. Next meeting in Indianapolis. Here's what the two Spaniards had to say at the end of the test.
“The test went quite well, especially on this last day with the track having good grip – said Marc Marquez – The times dropped and we were able to try other things, also confirming the feeling with the 2015 bike. Overall, the most important thing is that we were able to test the new prototype here and give some positive feedback. Additionally, Honda also brought us some new parts for the current RC213V and we were able to test the electronics, brakes, plus a few different setups. We are satisfied with how it went, because we covered many laps and collected a lot of data. Now we can take a break, which we all definitely deserve!”
“We managed to cover a lot of laps. The weather was good and we managed to try many things, in particular, some small adjustments were made to the bike – added Dani Pedrosa – Some changes concern the future, but others may be used in the next races and overall I am satisfied with these three days, because we were able to make some progress with the electronics. We'll see if this helps us. We also managed to get on the new bike and ride the first kilometres, but we will have to continue testing it further, in order to continue with the development”
if you want to always be updated on our news
Follow us here
MotoGP | GP Le Mans, Bastianini: “I'm confident”
MotoGP | GP Le Mans, Bagnaia: “All the conditions are there to be fast”
MotoGP | Casey Stoner critical of 2027 regulation
MotoGP | GP Le Mans, Rins: “We will test in the race what we tested in Jerez”
MotoGP | GP Le Mans, Quartararo: “Special race”
MotoGP | Le Mans GP: Brembo, demanding circuit for the brakes
MotoGP | GP Le Mans: Michelin ready to face the home Grand Prix
Well, excellent news for Honda Marc and Dani, now with Jorge finally found, all that's left is a big step forward for Ducati to see Dovi and Cal also "fighting" and off with the show!
COME ON !!!
Erm where is the excellent news, they just said that they have found new developments for both the 2015 and 2014 which will be available on their bike already in the next races, in short they will go even faster???
I don't know if you've noticed that they already have the best bike with a big gap over their rivals, how can you see more of a show and see Lorenzo back there with them or Dovi and Cal if they continue to improve the bike...
Simply because there are people like you who are convinced of the superiority of the motorbike and there are people like me who are convinced that the motorbikes are more or less similar or equivalent and the big difference is the Marc phenomenon, simple isn't it?
Different points of view.
Being a Honda rider I'm happy to believe that the Honda is superior to all other bikes but for me this isn't the case.
And who said that there can't be competition with others, in my opinion if Jorge gets back on track it's probably now too late for the world championship but who tells you that they won't go back to "fighting" like last year?
And for Ducati, how do we know what the new bike will be like?
Maybe it will go like the current one, maybe it will be a great horse, who knows?!
Then there are those who, to console themselves for the beatings their idol takes, convince themselves that his motorbike is clearly inferior and are widely convinced that if he had the same motorbike he would even beat him, and I have already heard several people who have this belief absurd almost madness.
I believe and hope that you are not one of those.
Um H, do you realize that without Marq the first would be Pedrosa?? Pedrosa?? Who didn't get hurt this year but had to have surgery on his arm for more serious problems than Stoner had with the glove...
I mean you understand Marquez won them all without him Pedrosa and not a 100% Pedrosa but an injured Pedrosa would be first.
How many world championships has Pedrosa won? When has he ever managed to beat Rossi and Lorenzo, ah yes when they got injured, ah no sometimes not even in that case...
Everyone is free to believe what they want, even that Rossi is a Brocco and that Honda is at Yamaha's level, one can also believe in God and the aliens who have invaded us or will invade us shortly, or in ghosts , to evil spirits, to Santa Claus, to baby Jesus and to all the others... You have this freedom :) but well, I'm sorry but I don't believe it haha and I believe that yes Marquez is a phenomenon but he also has a superior means, and perhaps and I say perhaps if his teammate had been fit and Lorenzo and Rossi had had the same bike as him sometimes they would have stopped him or at least made his life more difficult.
Then there are some riders who don't fit the Honda, but they try to follow it, both that of Maruquez and that of Pedrosa, and they say that it is superior for the simple fact that they can't do those things. If for Jorge it was just a problem of physical condition at least for half the race or at least on the fastest lap or in the practice sessions he should have stayed in front of him with ease but he almost never managed to do so. All poles except one were taken by an official Honda, the only one lost was lost due to the super variable track conditions, all the victories were taken by an official Honda if for you this is not supremacy of a motorbike...
Ah yes, I forgot that the anti-reds or those who don't like reds said that he always won because he was on the best bike, he had no opponents, he had a thousand advantages while his opponents were all Calimeros, now instead that Marquez wins it's all thanks to him if there are 2 official Honda riders in the first 2 places is only thanks to them and the 2 Yamaha riders have the same bike as theirs in terms of competitiveness but they are idiots only because Rossi is riding, come on you make me feel sorry for how it still bothers you that this 35 is there and in any case he's there fighting at least for the podium every Sunday and you no longer know how to discredit him, just look at how dejected you are every time he's the first of the seconds behind Marc...
Ronnie, wasn't Pedrosa's arm an excuse because he got it from Marc?
However, if we remove Marc from the classic, how many victories would Yamaha have in the first 9 races?
If I'm not mistaken 5 (4 from Rossi I think and 1 from Lorenzo).
Fully agree with the rest of the discussion. Honda has had a technical advantage for some time (and it's thanks to them, not a demerit... Indeed it is a demerit of their opponents for not having made the steps forward that Honda has made in recent years).
The biggest difference, however, is not made by the motorbike, but by Mr. Marc Marquez.
bcs I've already said it at least once and actually specified another thousand thousand, I took it out on Pedrosa ONE time when at the end of the race he made a scene, I don't know how truthful after having scored at least 5 in the last I think 6 or 3 laps record laps with fastest lap of the race.
Before he had surgery. I never took it out on him after the operation and before the operation, and if he was really exhausted that time it shouldn't have been said that it was his arm's fault but I don't know about the heat or the fact that he finished the race outside above his capabilities at the time and suffered physically when he was in the pits.
Yes, but without Marc who should we put on the Honda :) it's always the same thing... if Stoner was there maybe he wouldn't have won 9 but some yes, in my opinion it's undeniable that this year the Honda is Marquez or not Marquez and precisely because Pedrosa was having problems in his arm and in my opinion until he returned to 100% he had worse ones than before the operation, he is ahead in the championship, and would have been so even with Pedrosa injured and post-surgery when the other 2 riders with big problems He doesn't seem to have any physical impairments, at most Jorge said he was a little out of shape and weighed a few kilos too much.
But if the extra kilos were really Lorenzo's problem, discussions could already be reopened on this issue about when Rossi or Simoncelli or Crutchlow complained that a few extra kilos can cost dearly in terms of competitiveness.
PS F1 speech in my opinion only with the tax returns and perhaps not even with those you can actually understand how much they spend, and how much the investments are spread especially for the structures.
Last year if everything were budgeted and perhaps even for a few years ago in my opinion it is Ferrari that has perhaps spent the most of all, because if I'm not mistaken it has built a new center for F1 which it inaugurated this year , I think it's just for F1 or for competitions in general? That is, such large structures where they budget them, because F1 has something to do with them. In my opinion this is one of the many points why I don't believe much in budgets, because I would like to know more about what goes into them.
Because in addition to the engines and their development, the single-seater and its development, the races, the tests and all the employees who simply work on these things, then somewhere there must be factories and investments in factories, and in my opinion it is not right to say I don't know about Redbull who built a lot on their own while Ferrari or other big companies already had everything or a good part and just had to make improvements here and there. It's not that if someone already has them and has already paid for them, it can be said that in that given year they spent less. We would need to see how much it has spent and how much what it already has is worth to make a comparison otherwise I believe that Redbull is among those that have spent the most because it still has to amortize many structures that the others already had and in fact I don't know what Ferrari has budgeted for of its new structure and now that it is finished, if Ferrari recovers perhaps it will also be thanks to that investment and what it will yield in terms of competitiveness and perhaps greater margins in money to spend, I don't think they have already paid for it all, in fact it will probably take decades This is what makes me wonder where those investments go on the balance sheet, in short they show us what they want :)
Marc makes the difference and would probably also do it with his opponents on the same bike, but not with this ease, and in my opinion he wouldn't always be able to do it with the same bike. We'll see if Pedrosa, as he managed sometimes with Stoner, will be able to beat him, until so far, either due to his physical condition or the race conditions, he has never found himself having that second or 2 second margin and forcing Marc to give 100% while Dani is at 100%.
Marc has always made the difference over Rossi and Lorenzo also thanks to his technical advantage, let's say he was able to make starts like Rossi did a few years ago and then recover.
Yamaha doesn't have this possibility and therefore they can't put him in difficulty. In my opinion, with the bikes reversed we would have seen tighter races but almost always won by the Hondas.
Your theories are always a little far-fetched.
It means nothing if at the end of the race you are faster and set record times.
Marking certain times is not synonymous with feeling good.
Even if you claimed it once (actually several times), for you that discomfort was an excuse….
Seeing is believing.
There was a photo of that arm going around (with stitches and whatnot), go look for it.
You can put whoever you want on that Honda, I believe that no rider currently racing would be able to ride like him.
Nobody.
He makes the difference at the moment.
It is undeniable (at least I have been claiming it for at least 3 years) that Honda has a technical advantage, but this does not mean winning easily….
Phenomena make the difference, and Marc is a great phenomenon.
F1 speech... Now explain to me what the hell it has to do with it now, thanks :).
I read excerpts of what you wrote next, and my advice is always the same. Forget it, F1 isn't for you. But not at all, and every time you write about this category you confirm to me more and more (you also wrote it) that you don't follow it much... I would dare to write, almost not at all.
Nobody is unbeatable, not even Marc.
If it isn't this year, or next year, sooner or later someone will get ahead of him.
Well the problem is that it is a phenomenon (and what a phenomenon).
Having a good motorbike is not a demerit. But a merit.
Then, the medium matters (no one writes otherwise), but the fact is undeniable that at the moment it is Marc who makes the difference...
Just see how the hell he drives…
I repeat once again so you understand well I took it out on Pedrosa BEFORE HE WAS OPERATED before the arm looked like a rugby ball and only when it was used as an excuse for the arm to justify physical exhaustion like on the neck or something similar from what you could see it from the images, and it could also have been the arm but up until that moment he didn't even give much weight to that problem, and I'll tell you again in that race, it was the Argentine GP, he set the fastest lap right on the last lap and he kept a pace above that of Marquez or at least that of Marquez but of Marc 10 laps earlier with the tires in much better shape...
You understand that either he didn't have a problem with his arm at that time, as was the case with Stoner who blamed it on the glove being too tight, or Pedrosa is a super phenomenon, more of a phenomenon than Marquez and as soon as his arm is back in working order he will win them all …
What the hell are you writing?
The arm gave Pedrosa problems already in the first race. And in fact he made several statements regarding the arm.
Fine.
It doesn't mean a club making record times on the last lap.
A fast lap is not a sign of feeling good...
Then continue with your theories, but don't complain if someone catches you...
For you, that arm was an excuse, then some images of it came out, and you realized the bullshit you had written about the arm.
It's better to ignore the last part you wrote...
Also because I hope that yours is a simple provocation and not yet another attempt to... well, I'll stop here, I don't want to make you "angry", or make you experience a debate as a "war" (since on one occasion you went so far as to write that we were here having a "war").
Hello handsome, happy Sunday.
bcs what I have to tell you, you're right, I've always taken it out on Pedrosa since the beginning of the season and not just on that occasion and after that occasion until he had surgery.
PS I have never seen the images of Pedrosa's arm and I don't mind seeing them because from the moment he said he had to be operated on I didn't say anything anymore.
I remain of the opinion that given the diagnosis and his statements it wasn't something that always caused problems, he was operated on for the same thing that Stoner had had with his arm with the glove, but more serious. I think the statements said that compartment syndrome or something similar now I can't tell you the exact name, but it's the same one that Stoner had at the beginning of the season with his arm in Qatar I think when I think he finished third and was perhaps mocked by Pedrosa himself ???
So although DAni's problem was more serious, not caused by the glove as Casey claimed, and therefore the operation was necessary, the problem did not always arise at every moment of the race.
So I guarantee you that at the end of the race he didn't have that problem in Argentina otherwise he wouldn't have set record times hahaha I'm having a lot of fun and you've already done it in that other post to see you climb the ladder.
It seems to me that it's you who's slipping away and turning the tables :) he didn't do a Record lap he did all the last record laps when Marc was barely doing those laps 10 laps earlier when his tires were certainly in better condition than towards the end in the end, if for you a half-crippled rider can do those times that not even Marquez who in your opinion is the one who is making the difference most of all perhaps you have to either change your mind about Marquez, which is unwise I would say, or start believing that Pedrosa actually in that during the race did not suffer from any arm problems...
Where did I write that you've been writing this since the beginning of the season?
Nowhere (or am I wrong?), but after this umpteenth theory of yours, you beat them up for at least 2/3 days about the fact that that, for you, was an excuse why he took them.
Making record laps doesn't mean you're feeling good, dear Ronnie...
Capirossi finished fifth with a fractured hand (and if I'm not mistaken he had also been leading the race, but I could be wrong, since I'm going from memory...) and at the end of the race he fainted, but was that also an excuse?
Was Lorenzo's excuse at Assen an excuse?
He ran, so he was fine, right?
Was Stoner's excuse too, when he went home for some races (in my opinion you were one of those who were convinced of this)?
Far be it from me to compare the injuries in question (better to write it down, to avoid your turn), but running and achieving certain results does not equate to feeling good.
In my opinion, however, you saw them, and after seeing them you realized you had shot her (for the umpteenth time), and you never brought up the subject again.
“So I guarantee you that at the end of the race he didn't have that problem in Argentina otherwise he wouldn't have set record times hahaha I'm having a lot of fun and you've already done it in that other post to see you climb the ladder.”
Just read who is scrambling between the two…
So, to guarantee me something like this, it wasn't Pedrosa under the helmet, but you.
Congratulations, you are an excellent motorcyclist... Just think that until this pearl of yours I was completely convinced that you had never been on a motorbike (scooters are not motorbikes).
Ditto with potatoes, for those who turn the omelette just read.
Setting record times doesn't mean you're feeling good, it simply means that those times came out of him.
I repeat, record times do not equate to feeling good.
Then, obviously continue with your theory, I'm not interested...
Think that instead I enjoy reading how you get angry when someone replies to your truths.
You're a great Ronnie (I repeat, it's a compliment), have you ever thought about a future as a politician?
You are perfect for that “job”.
Else:
I have never defined Pedrosa as a "one-armed" rider...
In my opinion you should moderate the terms a bit, I understand the annoyance and the consequent "angry" that you get when someone replies to your "theories", so let's leave certain terms to other users.
thank you
if it goes well bcs but to me it seems like a unique contradiction, then Pedrosa wasn't very fast because he had problems with his arm, then you say that you can go fast even if you have an injury, decide damn it or you have a problem and you're limited or you have it you have and go slowly damn hahaha but god god god ahahha you make me laugh too much you say everything and the opposite of everything in 2 posts and you keep saying that it's me who twists things but make up your mind damn hahaha
More than getting angry lately I'm laughing more and more, keep it up :)
that is, if feeling sick doesn't necessarily mean going slow then Pedrosa can win races even with a thousand problems???
MADDAI have you ever tried to drive with a sore tip, a fly in your eye, an allergy, a cold, a fever, a headache, damn you can't have the same reflexes, the same concentration when you're in pain, and let's take away the bad because maybe you take anti-inflammatories and painkillers, but the physical impairment remains, you can't set record times for someone who is well if you don't feel well even for one lap, not even in a physical sport like MotoGP, or rather in such a physical sport in which must check every part of the body.
I think the one here who doesn't really know what that means is you, I already told you that you could live in another reality, there are things that if you're not 100% you don't do like Marquez's times :) and with this I'm not saying that Pedrosa didn't have to have surgery or wasn't sick, but in that GP he wasn't affected by his problem, otherwise I'll tell you again now that he's 100% as soon as the world championship resumes he wins them all.
Since I don't lie, I'll tell you again, I haven't seen the photos of Pedrosa's arm, I took the word of those who saw them and commented on them and I didn't care, since they said it had to be operated on, that was enough for me. ... go look for the posts I will have commented negatively on Pedrosa in 3 or 4 posts in like a maximum of 2 or 3 articles all published close to each other... since 7 or 8 years I have never been so angry with Pedrosa why should I do it now? I got harder on him when last year both he and Lorenzo got screwed by the rookie when it was all their fault.
I don't think, dear Ronnie, that you are constantly contradicting me. On the contrary…
Just read that it tries to turn and slip away.
Now you start putting things on my keyboard again that I didn't write.
I wrote that doing certain times doesn't mean feeling good.
WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU READ WHAT YOU PUT ON MY KEYBOARD?
Find the point or points.
AFTER YOU…
Like EVERY time I asked you, you never found confirmation in what you wrote.
Do you know that laughter abounds in the mouths of fools?
No, you really get angry... Just look at how you try in every way to distort what those who respond to your truths write, how you get personal and how you try to change the subject.
Just read.
I believe Ronnie that the one who has never ridden a motorcycle (not a scooter, scooters are not motorcycles), is you.
And what you write proves it.
You weren't interested in the arm simply because it clearly demonstrated that it wasn't an excuse.
Then, go ahead and do whatever you want, that's all you're capable of doing, but forgive me, but the more I discuss virtually with you, the more you show me that you don't have very clear ideas on some points.
I repeat, I DEMAND proof of what you put on my keyboard.
FULL SENTENCE, Thank you.
I repeat what I wrote (and have ALWAYS written):
Doing certain times doesn't mean you feel good.
The examples (much more serious and painful injuries) above demonstrate the thesis.
If it goes well bcs let's forget about it hahahah otherwise I'll die hahahah
You can set record times when you are not feeling well, and when you are feeling well, so there is no difference in whether you feel good or not for the final performance because you can go fast even if you are not at 100%.
The concept you express is clear to me yes yes, but you're out as a bell but you read damn it hahaha
Do I put things on your keyboard that you didn't say? That is, saying that setting record times doesn't mean you feel good, you can't lap and it can't be said that it's the same thing as saying that you can set record times even when you're sick. So we can't say that you perform the same when you're feeling bad compared to when you're feeling well?
But now are you sc..oo do you eat stones?
BCS I went on a motorbike even if I have more fun in a car now, even if on the track maybe I would have fun with both, but since it's not right to be an idiot on the roads it's not like I can have fun in the way I like.
If you think that you can set record times when you're sick, you're either a stubborn idiot who just wants to be right, which would be the least of it, or you're out of touch. You know very well that there isn't a rider who with serious physical impairments could do what Pedrosa did in Argentina against riders who were fitter than him.
Pedrosa had big problems after the operation because they opened his arm if I understood correctly.
Previously it was something that did not affect the entire race but only in certain situations only in certain braking and corners NOT ON ALL TRACKS, NOT AT ALL TIMES.
So there are 2 things: either he had no problems and then he was going as fast as Marquez and even more, or he was ill but then in no case could he have reached Marquez's performance for so many laps...
And if you've noticed, we've been discussing this thing for 200 posts, and I haven't brought up other episodes so maybe, and I mean maybe, you should start reviewing at least the fact that I took it out on Pedrosa for this and that while the I only did it on this occasion….
I repeat, I haven't seen the arm and I didn't need to see it, because if someone does an operation he doesn't do it for what reason to do it, it's obvious that there is a problem, serious or less serious... I that was enough...
In any case, I remain of my opinion that the scene of Pedrosa's exhaustion with a towel on the head or around the Argentinian's neck had nothing to do with the arm, but probably with fatigue given by the enormous effort of the last laps to go faster. Marquez's strength and I don't have a simple explanation given that that day it wasn't excessively hot there wasn't high humidity, the circuit is I believe less than 300 meters above sea level, in short nothing apart from a feeling of discomfort due to fatigue explains that little scene about Pedrosa, who didn't hold his arm, who didn't make a sign to his arm (BEFORE HE WAS OPERATED) he was just acting exhausted...
Good, forget it, you risk continuing to make a fool of yourself.
This way you will also stop continuously and constantly talking about what the other user writes.
I'll leave aside (I've gotten used to this by now) your getting personal, when you don't know how else to respond... My goodness, Ronnie, how it annoys you when someone responds to your truths/theories without any sense (sometimes).
“Do I put things on your keyboard that you haven't said?”
Yes, just read and frankly I don't talk on the Internet, but I write, if you hear my voice, there's a little problem Ronnie.
This is not spinning what I write:
“You can set record times when you're not feeling well, and when you're feeling well, so there's no difference in whether you feel good or not for the final performance because you can go fast even if you're not at 100%”
Or like what you wrote next?
I'll tell you again:
Doing certain times doesn't mean you feel good.
For the examples I gave you before, those drivers (according to your theory) should have gotten 50 seconds per lap (if not more).
“BCS I went there on a motorbike even if I have more fun in a car …”
I highly doubt you "went on a motorcycle", and based on what you've written in the past I highly doubt this part.
But obviously I have no evidence in my favor, and honestly it doesn't interest me that much, mine was just a small provocation, I can't take it (even if it was because I wrote what you wrote to me, open heaven).
Personal opinion which however I will not change.
“If you think you can set record times when you're sick etc...”
Yes, I think so and there are several riders who have managed to achieve epic feats in "bad" or "tough" conditions (see that of Capirex).
Who are “with serious physical impairments”?
For Pedrosa, you've been arguing for a while and in a certain number of posts that his was just an excuse.
Then, when a couple of photos came out (which obviously don't interest you, because they debunked your theory) and you stopped.
Seeing is believing.
Go ahead with the next teasing and "turns".
Hi Ronnie.
BUT in your opinion, are those theories that say that Marquez is faster than Pedrosa? There are theories that say that Pedrosa has been on a competitive bike for years but every time someone beats him from Hayden to Stoner to Rossi to Lorenzo then Stoner to Marquez...
I took it out on Pedrosa because he hasn't been able to win a world championship for years, despite being on a competitive bike and injuries are fine, bad luck and blah blah blah but when you have the bike and you're feeling pretty good the excuses are over...
Pedrosa is the eternal second and I'm not saying he's a badass, but too many times excuses have been used about his physical condition so as not to justify the results and honestly at the beginning of the season I haven't read or heard any news about his arm so for me, his not being 100% was like Lorenzo not being 100%, but I didn't take it out on him for his lack of performance, I didn't say anything because I didn't expect more than what he did, in fact he did a good start to the championship without Marquez.
I repeat, I didn't create any theory about Pedrosa. I was angry about the skit he made in Argentina and about the statements that I read, perhaps not even his, and about what he blamed... I remain of the opinion that those times don't happen if if you have big problems or problems, there is no way you have to lose at least 2 3 even half a second and I'm not saying for the whole race but at least for half the race, there is no way that at the end of the race you go faster than at the beginning and that is not even that, it's that at the end of the race he was faster than everyone, not himself, NOT EVERYONE, even his teammate who won all the races and who not even 10 laps earlier with the least worn tires set the times that Pedrosa set in the last laps last lap included... It's crazy for me to say that a driver who has major physical problems or even just physical problems can be the fastest of all right at the end of the race, when you are most tired and not be the fastest in the race and enough but to be the one who sets the fastest lap of the race :) on the last lap??? And he's not well??? I don't believe it :) I may be stupid, stupid, obtuse, stupid, idiot, but I don't believe it, ok? I don't buy something like that...
Where did I write that it is a theory that Marc is faster than Pedrosa?
FINDING THE POINT, THANKS.
The theory was different, that is, for you, that arm (based on what you write) remains an excuse.
And I reiterate once again that marking certain times is not a symptom of "feeling well".
Those times simply came to him at that moment (either because he worked for that part of the race, or for the mapping etc etc).
But not that he was fine.
I gave you some examples above (the only ones that I think you have seen with your own eyes, although I doubt the Capirex one... I limited myself to those).
In their case (much more serious than Pedrosa's problem) according to your theory, they had to take AT LEAST 50 seconds per race, but look, in those conditions they didn't disfigure (indeed, I define them as feats)….
Were they okay? MMM… I doubt it…
Pedrosa Chapter.
When evaluating Pedrosa you also have to consider the physical beatings (and he hasn't had any small ones) that he has taken over the years…
Do you remember what Lorenzo declared on his debut (after several blows)?
Do you remember what Lorenzo said at Assen (this year)?
Well, now try to put yourself in Pedrosa's shoes.
In my opinion, however, he should only be praised for his strength, which despite the physical setbacks (and relative lack of confidence in the bike), is still there with the top 4.
He is one of the four phenomena in the world, and frankly, I see few others at his level (or higher).
Write “beaten by Hayden”…
Yes but, in what year did Pedrosa debut?
2006.
In 2007 (I looked at the final ranking) the good Pedrosa came 2nd, Hayden 8th.
For the rest, I can only write to you:
Seeing is believing….
Also on this point you confirm that you have never ridden a motorbike. Or you've never fallen (impossible if you've been driving for a while).
When you fall you lose confidence, a lot of confidence, especially if you break.
Obviously comparisons between UFO pilots and normal people don't make sense, but you should know (falls/trust theme)…
Especially if you have monsters like the MotoGPs under your butt.
You are completely free to believe/not believe what you want, but your "theories" can then be dismantled with simple examples.
If that is the yardstick, why have we seen certain historic feats?
Mystery….
I agree with the fact that many riders have managed to go fast even with serious injuries, perhaps also thanks to infiltrations, but no driver manages to go fast at every stage of the race and usually not towards the end when he is ill he does the crab and is gradually reabsorbed does not make recoveries.
Even Stoner, when he had that problem for which he was operated on, Pedrosa struggled at the end of the race, he wasn't going any faster at the end, in fact he was lacking more and more strength and had to give up in the final laps.
I'm not saying that he didn't have that problem, because he was operated on, I'm saying that in Argentina on that track he didn't have that problem, either for track reasons or because that day he didn't have an inflamed stomach and it didn't cause those problems...
So that scene at the end of the race was not the fault of the arm at the limit of physical exhaustion given by the effort made at the end of the race, perhaps the Argentine in terms of conformation for the number of turns on one side rather than the other for the type of turns it didn't require such an effort as to put the arm in crisis so it was fast and therefore the arm did not negatively influence his performance, as happened with Rossi's shoulder in certain circuits in which he felt the problem less or with shoulders with clavicles or broken wrists for others, so maybe the problem is more mental than physical at times, in my opinion in Argentina he didn't have any arm problems otherwise he wouldn't have achieved those performances. Look at Capirossi, after the 2006 accident with Gibernau and the very serious accident in which I think they removed a small piece of his lung, he never recovered and either he or Sete could have won the world championship seeing how it ended...
I have fallen several times on bikes, engines, scooters, motorbikes, but I never think that I had had enough experience before and I no longer found myself in critical conditions.
The times I fell on a scooter I knew I was falling or I was expecting a fall on the dirt road once and on the snow another time I knew they were extreme manoeuvres, while once on a scooter I fell due to a small sheet of ice going downhill and I impaled myself on a railway sleeper haha I cracked a rib and a few grazes but I wasn't afraid to get back on the scooter 30 seconds after the fall, when you're young you're like Marquez you don't think about getting hurt you take it and let's go. I had the worst accident on a racing bike doing the deadly forward move. The first 2 times I got back on it I must have worried about not doing the same thing again at 40mph but then it gets over you... and there I had done much more. bad also because I didn't have a helmet...
PS I wrote from 2 tenths to half a second per lap which at the end of the race is 10-15 seconds not 50... always at the ideal pace that I normally land so Pedrosa who is a top rider who if he is well can reach a maximum of 5 seconds but Marquez vito who is now the reference would reach 15 20 seconds he would not recover second after second when Marquez does not slow down or keep a pace even a minimum below the maximum but very high and higher in any case than Rossi and Lorenzo
Ronnie
I'm still waiting for the places where I write what you put on the keyboard...
You write:
“…I say that in Argentina on that track he didn't have that problem, either for track reasons or because he didn't have an inflamed stomach that day and it didn't cause those problems…”
So you were Pedrosa in Argentina.
Congrats on your skills…
Every rider is different, you can't compare Pedrosa to Stoner (or vice versa) or to Cal (who also suffers from that problem).
Every driver is different…
Doesn't it even cross your mind that Pedrosa may have worked in favor of just those laps?
Or that he saved himself in the first part of the race to give everything in the final laps?
I repeat.
Times are not a diagnosis.
They never were.
NEVER.
My 50 seconds were not referring to Pedrosa, but to the examples (it seems clear to me, but it confirms my thesis on your behavior) to the examples I gave you above.
In the conditions they were in they should have gotten at least 50 seconds per lap...Obviously following your thesis, but they didn't get them (indeed).
So they didn't feel pain because they were taking painkillers?????
There is no painkiller that works... After a while the effect disappears... And go find out (since once again you write just for...) what DOCTOR (capital letters) Costa recently declared (whom I met personally at Imola a few years ago… A fantastic man), regarding the topic of drugs (obviously, you won't do it).
You write:
“as happened with Rossi's shoulder”
For you, Rossi's shoulder problem came from his leg.... You're not very good as a doctor, you know Ronnie?
In fact I would say not at all.
Obviously each circuit is different and even a problem can be greater in place X and smaller in place Y.
But what you wrote about Pedrosa and his problem, forgive me, but it's bullshit.
Forgive me, but what you wrote later about your "phantasmal" falls on a scooter (which fits, since I think you only rode that one), I can't help but laugh out loud.
Try crashing (as happened to me) at 180/190 km/h at Mugello (even the bike wasn't feeling well after the crash, on the contrary...) and we'll talk about it again.
Hi Ronnie
Ps:
If you are a cyclist, I inform you that right off the bat, you are really annoying me... (we understand each other, right?). :)
Obviously I'm joking, but I can't stand cyclists (none) (due to the numbers they do like phenomena and masters of the road, which they do on the road).
I was a cyclist until I was forced to only use that one due to age limits :P I did the fatal one when I was 12 :P not recently haha
I have always preferred to move on 2-wheeled motorized vehicles, taking them to their limits, even karting when I was younger amused me.
I'm not afraid of the speed of the height of the roller coaster whatever it is, in fact I like what gives me adrenaline, or I used to like it now I've calmed down a bit :P
However, the fear and respect is there but there is also the desire to go to the limit and understand one's own and that of the medium, no matter what medium it is...
I rode the motorbike but unfortunately there are no circuits in Switzerland so I was only able to take passes or agricultural roads where I could have some fun, but I have excellent skills and excellent sensitivity, unfortunately I never had the opportunity and perhaps the desire to impose myself and try to be a pilot and I admire those who do it, but I don't think I would have big problems going at 300 an hour, certainly gradually but after 2 laps at 100 150 I would do another sprint and another sprint and then I would arrive to my limit more than that of the bike. BCS I would like to point out to you that more people die on the roads than on the track, on the track you risk your life less, on the street if you do shit you are dead, and in fact I find it crazy to do the things that some people do on the streets as well as stupid, both in itself same as for the others but not on the track, there you can allow yourself more and even make small mistakes, however I don't want to fall but I'm not afraid... especially if I foresee the fall...
As for painkillers, it depends on the doses, but I guarantee you, having tried it on my own skin, it depends on what you have, but even just anti-inflammatories make you perform more, it's like a drug, you don't feel tired, you don't feel pain... it just stays physical impairment, yes, but from the point of view of pain you are better off, at least this is my first-hand opinion.
I base myself on personal experience, observation, analysis, and also on the opinions of others, I don't know about you...
If you are not capable or do not have the ability to understand the case studies and you do not have the same spirit of observation and analysis as me, I can't do anything about it :) I have a good memory and I compare the things I remember over several years with different experiences of mine and others, if you then fail to understand that each circuit is different, that each condition is different that each time you can capitalize on past experience and that there are bikes, riders, teams and characteristics, and a thousand variables that help repeat results or obtain results that I don't pretend to understand all but at least in part, but you don't take into consideration I can't do anything about it.
I know that there are logical explanations for everything, that there are causes and there are effects. I repeat, Pedrosa went faster at the end of the race than at the beginning, whether it was his tactic or how he prepared the race or how he suffered the race doesn't matter, because he didn't go slowly in the first part of the race, he went less fast of Marquez going faster in the second and a rider seriously impaired or impaired the results of Marquez who were I don't know at 98% maybe more given that he was pulling it with his fractured fibula I think but it wasn't that serious and it hadn't been operated on , maybe he didn't give him 100% of his strength, even if he won them all so in my opinion it was negligible... but if Pedrosa with a much more serious problem went stronger I'LL TELL YOU AGAIN
I was a cyclist until I was forced to only use that one due to age limits :P I did the fatal one when I was 12 :P not recently haha
I have always preferred to move on 2-wheeled motorized vehicles, taking them to their limits, even karting when I was younger amused me.
I'm not afraid of the speed of the height of the roller coaster whatever it is, in fact I like what gives me adrenaline, or I used to like it now I've calmed down a bit :P
However, the fear and respect is there but there is also the desire to go to the limit and understand one's own and that of the medium, no matter what medium it is...
I rode the motorbike but unfortunately there are no circuits in Switzerland so I was only able to take passes or agricultural roads where I could have some fun, but I have excellent skills and excellent sensitivity, unfortunately I never had the opportunity and perhaps the desire to impose myself and try to be a pilot and I admire those who do it, but I don't think I would have big problems going at 300 an hour, certainly gradually but after 2 laps at 100 150 I would do another sprint and another sprint and then I would arrive to my limit more than that of the bike. BCS I would like to point out to you that more people die on the roads than on the track, on the track you risk your life less, on the street if you do shit you are dead, and in fact I find it crazy to do the things that some people do on the streets as well as stupid, both in itself same as for the others but not on the track, there you can allow yourself more and even make small mistakes, however I don't want to fall but I'm not afraid... especially if I foresee the fall...
As for painkillers, it depends on the doses, but I guarantee you, having tried it on my own skin, it depends on what you have, but even just anti-inflammatories make you perform more, it's like a drug, you don't feel tired, you don't feel pain... it just stays physical impairment, yes, but from the point of view of pain you are better off, at least this is my first-hand opinion.
I base myself on personal experience, observation, analysis, and also on the opinions of others, I don't know about you...
If you are not capable or do not have the ability to understand the case studies and you do not have the same spirit of observation and analysis as me, I can't do anything about it :) I have a good memory and I compare the things I remember over several years with different experiences of mine and others, if you then fail to understand that each circuit is different, that each condition is different that each time you can capitalize on past experience and that there are bikes, riders, teams and characteristics, and a thousand variables that help repeat results or obtain results that I don't pretend to understand all but at least in part, but you don't take into consideration I can't do anything about it.
I know that there are logical explanations for everything, that there are causes and there are effects. I repeat, Pedrosa went faster at the end of the race than at the beginning, whether it was his tactic or how he prepared the race or how he suffered the race doesn't matter, because he didn't go slowly in the first part of the race, he went less fast of Marquez going faster in the second and a rider seriously impaired or impaired the results of Marquez who were I don't know at 98% maybe more given that he was pulling it with his fractured fibula I think but it wasn't that serious and it hadn't been operated on , maybe he didn't give him 100% of his strength, even if he won them all so in my opinion it was negligible... but if Pedrosa with a much more serious problem went faster I WILL AGAIN YOU IT'S A PHENOMENON HE IS THE BEST DRIVER EVER AND NOW HE WILL WIN THEM ALL :)
On the first part (those of your experiences) I believe little, very little.
But I can't prove it and I don't care that much.
What I think remains unchanged, given what you have written in the past, you have demonstrated certain things to me (on this topic).
Don't be offended, but I consider yours to be bullshit (in the sense of lies).
You write:
“I have excellent skills and excellent sensitivity”
Modest... This is for others to evaluate, not you...
He who praises himself cheats himself.
A bit like when I went with my gang to the track, and there were supposed phenomena who exalted themselves and boasted of extraordinary qualities... Then once on the track they took slaps left and right.
"I would like to point out that more people die on the roads than on the track"
Why did I write the opposite?
I do not think so.
I have always been a track fan.
1 Because I love speed
2 Because I see certain motorbikes as track vehicles.
You write:
"In any case, I don't want to fall but I'm not afraid..."
I didn't write that you want to fall or that you're afraid of falling (or am I wrong?).
Simply that falls take away your confidence.
Read what DOCTOR Costa said, thank you (and in my opinion he knows much more than you and me put together, and multiplied by 100).
Here you go again to get personal because you don't know what else to do.
:) You are great Ronnnie.
Where I wrote everything you put on my keyboard, for a damn time find and bring arguments in your favor on what you claim I wrote. FINDING POINTS.
“if you then fail to understand that every circuit is different, that every condition is different that every time you can take advantage of past experience and that there are bikes, riders, teams and characteristics, and a thousand variables that help repeat results or to obtain results that I don't pretend to understand all but at least in part, but you don't take into consideration I can't do anything about it."
_WHERE DO I WRITE THAT THE CIRCUITS ARE ALL THE SAME?
_WHERE DO I WRITE THAT ALL CONDITIONS ARE THE SAME?
_WHERE DO I WRITE THAT RIDERS DO NOT EXPLOIT AND DO NOT GROW?
_WHERE DO I WRITE THAT MOTORCYCLES ARE ALL THE SAME?
_WHERE DO I WRITE THAT OTHER VARIABLES DO NOT COME INTO PLAY?
On this point, dear Ronnie, I remind you that YOU wanted all the same bikes or all the same riders (which makes it clear what kind of fan you are...).
FIND PRECISE POINTS AND PHRASES.
AFTER YOU….
I understand that you get angry and angry like no one when someone replies to your truths, but I repeat, for me on this topic (as on others) you are writing a lot of bullshit.
And I'm sorry, despite what you write, I don't think you've ever ridden a motorcycle worthy of the name.
This is what you wrote in other threads.
If it bothers you, be patient. But that's what I think.
I repeat:
That times don't mean a bat and don't reflect the physical condition of a driver.
The examples above are valid, if you want I'll mention other companies...
One of them is Doohan.
Ronnie the doctor (I repeat, in my opinion your path is politics). The one who claimed that Rossi's shoulder problems were the result of the Mugello crash...
Not knowing that Rossi injured his shoulder before his leg….
Here are your observations based on what you see and (most importantly) what you read from others.
A great!
H95 alas, Ducati still needs a lot to make the big step forward, in fact I wouldn't want the opposite to happen if it's true that both Dovi and Cal will leave, we'll see
But in fact, I didn't say it was a certainty, we'll just see.
haha bcs calm down haha I didn't say that I am a champion or that I could be one... I said that I have good skills and excellent sensitivity and this is compared to normal people who are not Super world champions :) but I have excellent sensitivity and memory, I recognize imperceptible differences in the sound of the vehicle even if I listen to the music, I notice if there is something wrong from the suspension to the engine to the gearbox, I can have excellent control in choosing the most comfortable and fastest trajectories... on the track I try to go to my limit but if I see someone going faster or I ask him how he does afterwards if he tells me, or if not I try to follow him, those few times that I have done races with friends or acquaintances I have tried to arrive first if not on the first attempt at second or third and I succeeded so I won't be the champion and I'm not trying to be but to go to the limit of whoever is there at the moment and also to mine to tell the truth... that is, I try to force every braking point for example until I get long or until I at least go off trajectory I try different trajectories that is I have fun if then you don't want to believe it it's your shit :) what should I do :)
For falls I think it depends on how serious they are and what type of fall you face.
All the falls I predicted didn't create any problems for me, I knew I was potentially doing something wrong or daring too much, I saw the fall before it happened, I expected it, I was ready to fall and that's the type of fall that makes you it's good, usually without serious consequences which actually gives you security because you know that that's the limit beyond which you fall.
Then, however, there are the worst falls, those that you don't expect, those that you can't explain, and those can undermine your safety. When you get back from that place, you go more slowly, more carefully, but then if they don't happen again, you always try again. go harder, harder, harder until you figure out what went wrong, or whether it was a mechanical problem or something that only happens every now and then under certain conditions.
I agree that they undermine security but only when they are not foreseen when you don't expect them but if you then understand what went wrong you find security again, in fact you feel stronger, more confident and capable in your abilities. For example, when I pick up a new vehicle that I will use, I try after a few kilometers in the same place where I have references to do emergency braking or "braking at the limit" not at very high speed but only to understand what the limit is you can push how much is safe, what distances you can keep from other vehicles, what safety guarantees what confidence and then maybe if I use it every day every day I try and try again to modulate the braking to learn to stop sooner in every condition.
I didn't have ABS on the car until 2009 and I must say that it helps a lot in the snow but on dry and wet roads I felt safe even without the ABS. I don't know if I stopped at the same time, maybe even longer, even. if I have also had some very positive and less positive experiences with ABS and EBD which made me understand that no system is perfect and that vehicles equipped with ABS must be used in another way because you can be disappointed if you don't foresee or don't know the conditions of the road. To explain it in short, it is better to try to do things to the limit when there are no risks, because that time you really need to do it to avoid an accident, sometimes you get screwed because it's the first time it happens to you, while trying to do things to the limit in particular places at particular times when there are no dangers, or presumed dangers, it becomes clear that there are other dangers that do not derive from other people or animals but from your vehicle and from the road and its conditions .
However, it's better to screw up and stay standing than to fall because of confidence, but falling also helps you understand that it doesn't always go well for you :) certainly better if you don't hurt yourself too much.
PS for Rossi I didn't know or didn't remember but I presume I didn't know that it was due to a fall, and I told you and I remain of the opinion that having to go around on crutches only aggravated his problem given that we are not made for walking with our arms or unloading all or part of our weight on our arms in a continuous or prolonged manner...
I've already told you bcs I admit my mistakes, you don't... and I'm sorry but I don't twist anything, it's you who keeps trying to twist things... you never said this, you never said that...
It's more time you spend saying you didn't say things than time you spend explaining what you meant to say.
I told you and you told me again, we're not on those bikes, we're not those people, but we're still here to understand why, I have my ideas, you have yours, maybe we're both right, maybe no one is right . I don't persist in saying that you are always wrong, but I make corrections here and there where I believe that what you say does not correspond to what I think and you do the same...
I would like bikes that are all the same to see the true skill of the people in the rider teams. Because now we win with structures and people with money and people if everything were limited if the builders were disinterested, if money didn't count and everyone had the same money available the merits would only be of the people who together bring out the maximum from a material that is the same for everyone, no one can exploit anything other than their own abilities. Maybe even limiting the people per box without subterfuge. That is a fight on "equal terms". Where the best team prevails, not necessarily the richest and the one with the most financial, material and people resources.
Actually, you're the one who's agitated, I'm very calm.
Just read who is agitated (getting personal).
Well, then you're average. 90% of people feel if something is wrong, it doesn't mean having excellent skills or the bullshit you wrote (which I repeat, in my opinion is all bullshit*).
Exactly, it's my business, and I repeat that I don't believe these experiences of yours, given what you wrote some time ago.
It's not writing I'm here/I'm there/I'm down/I'm up that makes me change my mind, on the contrary...
I repeat, you have demonstrated to me on this issue, that bullshit there, I should write to others, because I don't believe you.
Falls undermine trust, both large and small, and obviously serve to understand.
Imagine that I have completely excluded ABS...
Doctor Ronnie, that's another matter, but the shoulder problem wasn't the result of what you hypothesized with your theory...
When I'm wrong I admit my mistakes too, but not saying you're right doesn't mean you're wrong...
I understand that it bothers you (a lot, just read).
“and I'm sorry but I don't change anything, it's you who keeps trying to twist things... you never said this, you never said that…”
Just read those who continually turn the argument around.
If you put things on my keyboard that I DIDN'T write, I ask you to find certain points, POINTS THAT YOU HAVE NOT FOUND EVEN ONCE.
I have invited you several times to STOP, but you continue like this... Evidently you are used to this... The classic politician.
“It's more time you spend saying you didn't say things than time you spend explaining what you meant to say.”
First point, I'm not talking on a website.
Second, I take what you try (with poor results, since I block you in the bud) to pass off certain things as my things, for the sole purpose of confirming your theories (often far-fetched).
It's a shame that I've never written certain things.
No explanation needed…
If you don't understand (which I don't think so given how you act) it's not my problem.
It is you (before apostrophizing sentences never written to others), and having to inform yourself (if you have doubts), not me who explains to you.
Your problem, and as long as you continue to behave that way I will always keep you in mind here.
If it bothers you, stop acting like that.
Do you want to reopen the money discussion now?
What a two ball*….
Money alone doesn't matter, it alone isn't enough...
You need the whole package, not just the money.
Then if you want bikes that are all the same, you are completely free to think so, but in my opinion it is very, very unsporting.
The bikes MUST all be different.
Do you know how nice it is to see the same motorbikes riding around?
A pleasure…
If you don't have the money, you don't go for a world championship, but you race in smaller categories.
If you don't have the resources to participate, go elsewhere.
Opinions bcs opinions everyone has their own :)
However, if I'm just telling lies, why the hell are you here wasting time, avoid answering me and getting into the matter with yours truly :)
This way I save time and so do you :)
Exactly, everyone has their own, but some opinions are contradicted by history and data.
I didn't write that you only tell lies...
I wrote that FOR ME (see how you're still trying to spin everything?) your phantom experiences are bullshit...
I simply (as I wrote to you) don't believe what you wrote (regarding your experience, which in my opinion is equal to 0), because of what you wrote in the past.
It's my opinion.
If we then want to discuss wasted time, I (unlike others....) have never written to you that you are like a kindergarten child, that you are devoid of content etc etc.
PS: Yes, you would like not to have an answer to what you write :)
what should I tell you bcs you are completely free not to believe it, nothing changes about me haha even if I'm the opposite of those who tell lies in the sense that I always tell things as they are, I don't pump them up or belittle them :)
I know I'm not free to disbelieve it.
And in fact I don't believe you, but for what you wrote in the past, not for what you wrote today.
Certain things are not written if one has the experience you claim to have.
I am perfectly free not to believe you (on those points), and in fact I don't believe you :).
Hello