MotoGP Assen: Pole position for Valentino Rossi, Lorenzo behind, only eighth
First pole position of the season for the Yamaha champion, the 51st in the Top Class
MotoGP 2015 GP Assen Dutch TT Qualifying – A great Valentino Rossi took pole position in the MotoGP class Dutch Grand Prix, eighth stage of the 2015 world championship. The rider from Pesaro achieved the feat by beating Aleix Espargarò (Suzuki) and the reigning champion Marc Marquez (Honda). The last pole dates back to Valencia 2014, when he started ahead of Andrea Iannone and Dani Pedrosa.
Today's pole came after the Yamaha champion had been fastest in FP1 and FP3. A position that also thanks to the eighth time of Jorge Lorenzo (who will start from the third row) paves the way for a race that could bring him back to the success, which has been missing since the Argentine Grand Prix. For the Pesaro native it is the 51st pole in the Top Class (500 + MotoGP), the 61st of his career.
Starting in the second row tomorrow will be Dani Pedrosa with the second Honda of Team Repsol, Pol Espargarò with the Yamaha of Team Tech 3 and Andrea Iannone, with the first Ducati, the Desmosedici GP15.
Cal Crutchlow will open the third row and will have Jorge Lorenzo and Maverick Vinales at his side. Tomorrow's race will be a crucial one for the Majorcan, given that to overtake Rossi in the standings he will necessarily have to finish ahead of him. This on a track where he has bad memories, in 2013 he fractured his collarbone in practice, only to then have surgery and run the race which saw him finish fifth.
Difficult qualifying also for Andrea Dovizioso, who didn't go beyond the tenth fastest time. The Ducati rider from Forlì will therefore start from the fourth row ahead of his brand mate Danilo Petrucci (who rides the Pramac Racing GP14) and the British Bradley Smith.
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Here is Rossi's birthday present for Biaggi.
After this pole, some will have had a heart attack ahahaha
Another blow for the “usual IDI0TI”….!!!!!!!!!!
What will you blame this time on the infamous "rubber" on other people's misfortunes or on your own IDIOCY, which would be fairer...?? Anyway let's have a nice year of satisfaction….
blow??? but don't you read during the week? famously injured, it was an announced pole! with the mess of the compound favorable to Rossi, although to be honest I have to say that he has nothing to do with it and sometimes he favors Lorenzo, sometimes Honda and coincidentally after 4 victories for Lorenzo he comes to favor Rossi this time
I don't find it very right that Uncle Carmelo, in criminal association with Bridgestone, decides which compounds to bring to each circuit with the excuse of temperature, asphalt abrasiveness and humidity, as if they didn't know who and who are going to favor a rather than disadvantage and keep open a championship or decide who wins it
the tire must be of free choice and everyone will pay for the right or wrong choice, so it is a scam
free tire and everyone pays for their choice? In fact it's like this...remember Argentina??
Then how much of an idiot you are... you know you are one too.
If marc wins 10 races in a row one season and 1 the other it's thanks to the rubber. If Lorenzo hasn't been on the podium in 7 races it's thanks to the rubber... if Rossi gets a pole after 10+ podiums in a row it's thanks to the rubber, if Ducati is sometimes competitive and sometimes not it's thanks to the rubber... if Suzuki is sometimes it gets pole sometimes it doesn't it's thanks to the rubber, if you have sawdust instead of a brain it's thanks to Uncle Carmelo right??
I'm not even answering you seriously, clowns are meant to be laughed at ;)
CIIIAOOOO AND GO ROSSI!
tonyscato, it's always someone's fault right? in your case the fault was the punctured dinghy!! we await comments on lingerie, fartman, h725 and the great testicoloner!!
Tony the problem is that it's not that simple, they can make a compound that is more conducive to the race or the single lap or grip in the race and more consistency without the performance on the flying lap.
They can certainly make a tire with more or less soft edges and other parts of the tire and casing more or less soft.
Certainly, looking over the years, there are GPs and tires that are better suited to Jorge's riding style, rather than Marquez's, rather than Stoner's, and I think more to Rossi's racing style.
I haven't yet identified Rossi's strong point for riding so fast, perhaps like Stoner it lies in the front more than the rear. Marquez hampers him more with the rear like Lorenzo, but both also suffer with the front.
I believe that Marquez and Lorenzo need a front and rear pairing, but when they do both for themselves, the others are unable to exploit it as well as they can.
I think Stoner and Rossi make more use of the grip on the front, and I think both are more competitive with harder tires on the rear. Although Stoner with his drifting could get the best out of even harder tires on the rear.
While Marquez and Lorenzo are more opposite, Lorenzo prefers less hard compounds on the front, and so on the rear and on the corners he prefers soft compounds, to be able to bring a lot of speed into the corners but not put too much stress on the tires when braking.
Marquez, on the other hand, wants hard Stoner-style tires on the rear and hard on the front.
The fact is that to do what you say, we would have to give everyone the best for them, and that would be a lot of different tyres, and then why just for them?
Furthermore, at that point the layout of the circuit would basically count, with the style of each driver, with the temperatures and the asphalt.
It's not that simple to solve everything.
Chapter Pedrosa, I think he also prefers soft Lorenzo-style compounds, but since he rides a different bike, he needs perhaps stranger compounds because he needs a soft compound on the rear but hard enough to last on his bike until the end of the race.
While the front that Pedrosa likes I think is softer, softer than for Lorenzo, something so extreme that it then causes the others to not reach the end of the race with the setups.
Pedrosa is the lightest, so if they made tires for the loads to which his bike is subjected, they would put the others out of business, because the tire that he finds made for his temperature range is out of scale for the others.
In short, a lot of different tires are needed, there would probably be several different winners in each GP, but a huge quantity of tyres, without considering the luck factor of the weather.
Which if wet then cancels out all the theoretical advantages given by the driver and circuit...
PS for the front, more than just the compounds, it's the tire casings that make the difference, if they are so stiff one year Rossi, Marquez and Stoner like them
When the carcasses become less rigid they appeal to Lorenzo and Pedrosa's riding more
Between 2010 and 2011 and 2012 I believe it is the front that has been changed the most in terms of carcass stiffness.
In the last few years of Marquez's dominance, I think the rear has changed more like harder compounds.
Now seeing Marquez's difficulties in stopping, something has perhaps changed also in the casing and not just in the compounds this year.
It must be said that in recent years they have also brought more choices of carcasses and front compounds, so they can more or less adapt, but we have often seen Marquez and Rossi go for harder compounds while the others prefer the softer ones on the front.
They have tried as far as possible to please or give more choices to rebalance things, even though a lot can still change and be changed by other factors.
The rear is the biggest limit, because they always only bring 2 choices for the MotoGP and this doesn't help because more than how the rider feels, with one or the other compound it's the weather conditions and the air and asphalt temperatures that determine everyone opts for one or the other compound and rarely do we have the intermediate limit conditions of one and the other.
So I would say that from last year and also this year the differences have been played out with the rear.
By any chance does the poor KUL0 of a SKARTO burn you...?? Anyway you saw that I guessed it, it's the "rubber".. But with you IDI0TI it's all too easy……………. And that little man is always there……!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RONNIE ok all the considerations on the logistical difficulties of always bringing all the various tire configurations to the track, but I don't argue that a choice can clearly favor one style rather than another or one motorbike rather than another, I discuss that dorna and uncle carmelo they have the accelerator of the motorbikes in their hands and this is not good
it's not about giving the best for someone because tires exist and no one asked for it to be tailor-made, just a free choice, then the best really wins, not whoever decides Carmelo, what the hell, let's not pretend not to understand... ………
you're right Tony.. Carmelo decides everything. I'm sorry that Stoner only made him win 2 times and Rossi 9... Blame it on him who decides who wins and who loses.
Ah, don't tell me that when Rossi wins, Carmelo decides, when Stoner wins, the best rider wins. Either it's like this for everyone, or for no one! ;)
So if Lorenzo won 4 times in a row was it because they gave him the favorable rubber? ..but stop doing Tonyscart?..
You want the track that Rossi likes! You want a compound that he likes better, ok... it's there but don't see rubbers and rubbers everywhere...
When Rossi wins he has the rubber when the others win he's a boiled... that's why you're pathetic..
Today Rossi deserved it...he was in good shape and you could see it from how he braked & co..
Let's hope it will be the same tomorrow too! Speram!
How come I don't read the same complaints when I'm in front of others..?? When Marc Jorge Dovi Pedro is in front it's because they're good, when he's in front Rossi it's because he decided everything "uncle carmelo" is it ever possible..?? Don't you feel ridiculous..?? Furthermore, right here after each race the Bridgestone debriefing is always published, where it is explained what type of tires were brought, why they were chosen and the relative performance. All in broad daylight and in great detail but no, our IDI0TI conspiracy theorists must necessarily find the flaw in everything that concerns a positive performance by Rossi and then away with the "rubber and the uncle"... The rottenness is only in your heads of CA220……..!!!!!!!!!!!
Tony the tires are decided months in advance, we should know as soon as the teams have the information, to prepare for the race weekend on Bridgestone's part.
It's not that they saw that Lorenzo won too much and said now let's make the tire for Rossi.
Or maybe they didn't see that Rossi won the first races and said let's let Lorenzo recover in the next ones.
I don't think it's possible to change things in such a short time.
I can more think of an agreement to divide the world championships between Honda and Yamaha, and in the meantime until the end of the single tire regime give the sop to Ducati and then to Suzuki to have softer tires and free developments to help them recover.
This year the tires are in Yamaha's favor for now, and I don't think it's just Ezpeleta who decides, but the manufacturers who do so.
It is Honda and Yamaha at most who have agreed to do all this.
Pilots experience it reflexively and are "forced" to use what is provided to them.
Obviously the manufacturers try to do the best they can every year, and have a package that can bring something good out of it even when it's the opponent's year.
This year is Bridgestone's last year, so in my opinion the type of compounds has changed, to have greater performance on a single lap and in the race to break records and try not to quickly conquer them for Michelin. (next year they will have more liters of fuel so in the race they could go faster, but in qualifying without qualifying tyres, these records could be difficult to beat)
The softer compounds of 2015 compared to previous years favor bikes that are less aggressive on the tires like the Yamahas, and even more favor the clean riding done over distances that Lorenzo uses.
Lorenzo often goes better than Valentino on circuits that have those characteristics, so objectively, it is clear that if it is a Yamaha year, it will happen that where possible they will make compounds that give a lot of mileage which is Yamaha's strong point, and which will give a lot of performance in the acceleration according to Yamaha parameters.
Lorenzo's 4 victories are the result of his driving style, supported by the tire manufacturer, because Bridgestone wants to obtain the best records possible, therefore it favors that given driver so that for those who come after, it will take time to understand what to give to every single driver to beat previous records.
There are tracks where it is impossible for Rossi with his style to find the setting that keeps pace with that of Lorenzo, and this happened in 2 or 3 races of the 4 won by Jorge, while in Barcelona Rossi managed to find a compromise. While Rossi came out of the race well in Argentina because it was probably the best compound for that circuit, it made his driving the best.
I think that Jorge is more favored, if this compound used in Assen is a sporadic case like the new tire brought to Argentina. If the compounds from the last 4 GPs can be brought to many circuits and they perform better with the Yamaha, Lorenzo is the favourite.
Typically if they suddenly don't start making tires for Honda, or harder compounds don't arrive that aren't conducive to Lorenzo's riding, the values on the field might not change. That is, Rossi wins sporadically, but Lorenzo wins more often due to the type of tyre, but because that tire is what is needed to break records, and Lorenzo is the rider designated by driving style to adapt to that circuit and set records .
We need to see who is better and luckier in difficulties, and who is better at exploiting positive opportunities.
It seems to me that Rossi must win tomorrow, and Lorenzo must not do worse than fourth or fifth. So it's almost worse for Rossi than for Lorenzo.
However, in my opinion in dry conditions the Yamahas should go well, Marquez and Pedrosa are more of the unknowns and the start and first laps will be decisive as in the last races.
Congratulations to Vale which are a must, but also compliments to all his fans who, now having achieved yet another Pole, are all ready to say that the problem of qualifying no longer exists and all those who, until the last race where Vale started "Esimo", they claimed the existence of a problem for Vale in qualifying, they are just "id***s", am I right Fans in Yellow?
Who's still beating her with the rubber?
In previous races, Vale only fixed the bike on Sunday morning, not even at all, sometimes only during the race and he ran with better times than the tests, even much better at times.
I don't think it's appropriate to talk about the rubber again, even if, from the verve with which you try to "dispel" anyone who has any doubts, you are using the same attitude used by the Gialli fans, "last time". , but, unfortunately for you, last time, the story of the rubber was completely TRUE, I hope that at least this news has "passed".
I then read the next comments, I have an urgency that lately manages to involve me more than the tests and races themselves.
Great Ducati, it didn't go well, in fact, at this point of the season, I personally expected better consistency, but the confidence and joy of seeing a Red on the track still remained intact.
Come on Ducati
Compliments should be given to you ligera. Rossi didn't fix the qualifying problem, he himself admitted that he was strong in qualifying only because he felt good with the setup right from the first session and concentrated more on driving and less on the setup. That is, what happened to Lorenzo the last 4 races happened to him. Here the roles have been reversed, exactly the opposite with a less "appointed" Lorenzo.
Next race Rossi will probably finish eighth in qualifying again, amen. Lorenzo had reached 1 point and here Rossi had and must prove that he WAS THERE. And for now he is doing it.
It's you, together with others... who after Lorenzo's victories gave Rossi up for a goner, that no one could ever beat a Lorenzo like that.
Races are like this... Lorenzo is stronger on a track, Marquez stronger than Rossi... It's not one factor that makes the victory, but several. We'll see who will be the best today, because every race is a story in itself.
THANK YOU WORTH!!!!! You are ALWAYS the GREATEST of ALL!
just 2 days ago everyone said Rossi was a goner. Rossi on pole and Lorenzo 8th.
We'll see if Lorenzo makes the comebacks that Rossi does...if the race is dry Rossi is the man to beat tomorrow!!!
#yearofthegoat
Rossi on Pole in the dry could bring snow tomorrow at Assen hehe
Apart from the pole lap which I don't know how he managed to do, for me he could have been on 1.32.9, but actually seeing how fast he went in the test sessions, we could also have expected pole.
The second surprising thing is that Rossi took pole without ever being the fastest in any sector, T1 T2 T3 T4, other riders took turns setting the best split times, despite this Rossi put together an ideal lap equal to his best lap, he did the best in every sector on himself and he did the best overall lap even compared to the ideal laps of others.
However, the thing that should make us think more is that there are 12 drivers in 0.6 seconds...
In six tenths 12 drivers, they are usually in 1 second, less often in 1.5-2 seconds. In short, the margins were narrow, which could have worked against Rossi if he had done his usual less-than-brilliant qualifying lap.
What Rossi claimed about the compounds is confirmed, these tires are actually harder, at least on one side, the most stressed one.
Rossi did 3 laps at a high level in his first outing of Q2, which means that the tires last through the laps, which could also work in Honda's favor in the race.
Marquez's pace was excellent in FP4, Lorenzo also didn't go slow, neither did Pedrosa although he seemed to have greater drops with worn tyres.
If the race is dry, the hope for Marquez Lorenzo Pedrosa and the others who must beat Rossi is to start well and try to make a gap in the first laps, because Rossi, even in qualifying and before qualifying, did not seem very fast in the very first laps, it seems that he needs 2 or 3 laps to get into the frenetic pace even if he then progresses, while the others are able to start more quickly, but then perhaps they will struggle to keep the pace as high as Rossi.
However, if it rains it can only play in favor of the others, especially the Honda riders, who have nothing to lose while Rossi and Lorenzo still have to think more from a championship perspective and not take too many risks.
Lorenzo was semi-unlucky in the sense that if he did a tenth worse he started eleventh, but if he did a tenth better he started fourth, and in light of the fact that he found himself in more difficulty yesterday, he's not even bad, he did what he does Rossi when he is in difficulty.
We need to understand how much Rossi will still improve in the Warm Up and how much the others will.
Rossi after the pole lap still seemed to recognize problems with the bike, to go faster, but that was the single lap.
We need to understand if a bike that seems balanced like his can be further improved in the warm up, and once again understand what the weather will be like tomorrow morning for the warm up, and what conditions the track will be in.
PS The best image of Q2 is that of Crutchlow, ready for the starting test behind Aleix and Pol Espargarò, waving his arms and making fun of them, for the fact that they are standing there telling each other how the qualifying lap went , rather than doing the starting test :)
I will still make a petition to stop Ronnie from posting!!! My goodness Ronnie... you can't be read... everyone is free to write what they want, but who wants to read your very long comments where 90% of them repeat what is already written in the news. How do you not notice? Fill the articles with useless comments... post your opinion, short and concise and amen
If you say so, Durim, who reads everything in the comments in the article, you'll get some good stuff ;)
Race forecast:
marquez knocks out reds
victory for Pedrosa then Dovi, Lorenzo, A. Espargarò, Smith
@n75
If I remember correctly you are a woman ;-)
I touch myself and if Marc has to hang someone or something, let's hope it's the laundry at home ahahahaha
Sheets, your thong, your bra and if you really want some used dil@dos.
Until next time sweet crazy girl.
Be a little more sporty ;-)))