MotoGP Argentina: Bridgestone had recommended the extra-hard tire to the Honda and Yamaha riders
The sole tire supplier explained the "advice" given to Honda and Yamaha, including Rossi and Marquez
Bridgestone MotoGP GP Argentina – The last Argentine Grand Prix was characterized by high temperatures and a high rate of tire wear. For this reason, Bridgestone, the sole supplier of tyres, had brought a special tyre, defined as extra-hard and recognizable by the yellow stripe. It is precisely with this that Valentino Rossi won his second Grand Prix of the season, a choice made by Yamaha which proved to be the right one, given the problems Marquez had in the final laps, with the Honda rider having lost everything in a short time its advantage due to the hard choice (red band). Here are the words of in this regard Masao Azuma, Chief Engineer Bridgestone Motorsport Tire Development Department.
“The extra-hard rear tire was designed for two reasons, to withstand the high temperatures on the left shoulder of the tire and to reduce the high wear rates on the right shoulder. This is why we took him to Rio Hondo, an extreme place in terms of temperature and very demanding on the tyres. Valentino Rossi's performances showed that this tire worked very well. His second half of the race was particularly strong and he managed to set a new race lap record on lap 20, beating last year's time by four seconds.”
So was the extra-hard tire the best choice for the Honda and Yamaha riders?
“Based on our analysis done during the race weekend, our recommendation for Honda and Yamaha was to use the extra-hard, but ultimately each rider had to make their own choice based on race strategy and motorcycle settings. Making the final decision on tire choice for the race was very difficult for some drivers, as the temperature in the race was cooler than when the race simulations were done. The pace and speed maintained by Rossi with the extra-hard tire was impressive, but Marquez also rode at a very strong pace and was in danger of winning. Furthermore, Crutchlow (3rd in the race) used a hard tire and on his final lap he made his best lap, so it is obvious that this option could also offer a good performance. Tire management was the key to the race, whether the hard or extra-hard compounds were used.”
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Honda tried with the extra hard but had to choose the hard because in the warm up it was taking 3 to 4 tenths per lap from the Yamaha, however if managed well it was seen that even the hard ones weren't bad, see Dovizioso.
And not just rich. Where he did his best lap on lap 19 out of 25. Cruthlow with the hard and the same bike as Marc did his best lap in the last lap, 25 of 25, also slowed down by overtaking on Iannone probably.
What are we talking about? both tires were good, everyone chose based on their setting, driving style or strategy, but it was possible to win with both tyres. The difference was made by the reds, not the rubber :)
Dovi took 5.685 seconds from Rossi, even though he managed them in the end he had a big drop or had to give up.
Marquez didn't take much from Rossi in the Warm Up if you look at the times, in fact, at the beginning of the Warm Up session Marquez was faster than Rossi in the first laps, then he didn't continue and put the Hard on, making much better times than Rossi's .
They made a choice perhaps also based on last year's experience, and in any case if Marquez had not crashed he could have finished 1,2 or 3 seconds better than last season, but given the recovery that Rossi was able to make for sure this Extra Hard that Bridgestone worked so hard to make was the best choice and they will also have spent a lot to make it. Except that few believed it...
In fact Lorenzo, Smith, Pol Espargarò were all very strong on the extra hard tires, right?? The riders made the right choices, for Marc the right choice was the hard... Rossi made the difference and not the tyre.
Ciiiiiaaaaooooo Engineer Ronnie
The difference here was made by Rossi Marquez and Dovizioso in that order.
Marquez would still have finished with the same time as last year if not better, now Rossi has improved a lot, but I don't think he could have won with the Hard...
Comparing Marquez in the test sessions has always improved, practically always staying at the top, while Rossi was the most consistent, comparing Marquez to the others makes no sense in my opinion. I don't know if Honda couldn't win here with Marquez and it was Rossi's race already on the table, given by Rossi and his qualities and the choices he made throughout the weekend.
Last year everything certainly went more smoothly, this year Yamaha focused a lot on the race and the bike for the race, losing in qualifying, we'll see. Rossi and Dovizioso are certainly the ones who can put Marquez in difficulty more than others over the championship distance for now, he is certainly under more pressure like Honda is now, everything isn't working for him at his best. Rossi drove an extraordinary race and clearly deserves the victory, Marquez made a big mistake in responding to the attacks and was knocked out, but for me he and his team put themselves in that situation alone. As I said with the Hard they scored 0 points we saw the race, with the Extra-Hard it couldn't have been worse than 0 points anyway...
Ronnie no Extra Hard for Marc was not the best choice as you claim.
Few stories, take Rossi away from the final result for a moment, where did the other riders who had that tire end up?
It's the same Marc who declared:
“….Marc then shed further light on his choice.
“I had decided on that somewhat risky tactic because I knew that with the extra hard tire I couldn't win…”
Frankly, if he and his team didn't choose the Extra Dura it's because it didn't work for them, just as it didn't work for the other riders who mounted it (except Rossi).
Marc said it wasn't a valid option for them to win.
Shall we also add another Honda rider?
Ok Cal said:
“We could have tried to use the extra hard like the Yamaha ones did, but on our Honda they didn't work too well and we slipped a lot.”
Shall we add another one? But he mounted the Extra HRD...
Redding:
“I chose the extra hard tyre, because I thought it could give us an advantage over the distance, but with hindsight I'd say the hard was better”
Now you are free to continue writing that the Honda riders made a mistake and should have mounted the hard tire, the problem is that the riders who race those bikes and the team that races those bikes have a very different thesis from yours...
Who knows who has elements to define certain tires as right or wrong... Well...
I completely agree. BUT tell that to Ronnie hahaha
Now he will write you 3 pages of a hypothetical future in which if…
I can't be certain that Marquez won the race or came second with the extra-hard, but I saw how he ran with that tire in the tests, I didn't see the Warm up and I can only evaluate the times, I missed it, but the I saw other tests and saw that he was the fastest with that tire, while Rossi was the most consistent, but Rossi was fixated on that tire straight away.
As I said to Durim, it couldn't be done worse than 0 points, and it can't be done...
We saw how the race with Hard ended, for me this remains the only factor that matters.
He couldn't have done worse than that with the Extra Hard as the final race result.
Rossi was also struggling a lot at the start of the race and slipped a lot, he was able to manage the situation better. Lorenzo perhaps exaggerated in the first laps, or he had a different set-up on the contrary, which worked immediately but then didn't pay off over the race distance.
Crutchlow declared that they mounted the Hard as a matter of Honda tactics, he had to do and acted as a stopper at the start of the race, facilitating Marquez's escape and he couldn't do this with the Extra-Hard.
In Honda they made a choice, which with hindsight did not bring the result even though they certainly could have achieved second.
However comparing Marquez with Lorenzo, or Cructchlow or anyone else is quite ridiculous, you have seen what he has done and what he does in qualifying and what he has done in the last 2 years, there is no one who rides the Honda like him, in fact even with the dead rear tire he set record times, taking huge risks...
The Extra-Hard slipped a lot, it's true, but it was more resistant to wear and could be slid for a long time, and it seems to me that with the Hard on the rear Marquez slipped even more at the end, so he certainly should have raced in a otherwise, maybe he wouldn't have won, but for me the times recorded over the weekend and also in the warm up speak for themselves, then they can use all the excuses they want and they can justify themselves in any way, they bet and they bet badly for the victory, it was instead a good tactic if they wanted second place, but despite a perfect first part of the race and Crutchlow doing his job, they were caught by Rossi, who went 4 or 5 seconds faster than Marquez while However, Marc still drew a blank over everyone else.
Ronnie, come on, your reasoning doesn't hold up at the moment.
You write: “…it couldn't have been done worse than 0 points, and it can't be done…”
The zero in the standings comes from an error by Marc who let himself get caught up in the heat and absolutely didn't want to let Rossi escape, not from the tyres.
Marc's tires could have easily led him to finish the race in 2nd place and score some very important points.
The tires did not cause the zero in the standings, they were not "destroyed" and they did not "explode".
The zero is not due to the tires, but to Marc's too much enthusiasm.
Cal stated what I brought you above, taken from a site and heard with my own ears on TV, namely that:
“We could have tried to use the extra hard like the Yamaha ones did, but on our Honda they didn't work too well and we slipped a lot.”
Honda couldn't make them work and they slipped too much (do you know what tire slipping leads to?).
Redding, who used the tires, declared that it was better to take the Hard ones.
If all the Honda men (including the riders who ride those bikes) declared that on their bike (which they know better than you and me combined) the Extra Hard didn't work like the Hard, there must be a reason.
I then understand that you must defend what you wrote at all costs, but in light of the facts this time you screwed up, and are continuing to screw up.
I'm sorry Ronnie, but what you're carrying on these days is a useless discussion.
Hello.
bcs if it is true that the Extra-Hard worked worse, the fact remains that it is the Hard that they used and it is the Hard that led Marquez to flat out.
There was a mistake by Marc, yes of course and who denies it, but why did Marc and Rossi find themselves in contact at the end of the race and Marc risked everything? If the Extra Hard wasn't performing, maybe he would do what Lorenzo did and bring home the result without too many problems, and he would score some points.
I don't think I have ever written since I started replying to Durim in the other article that Marquez would have won the race, or that he certainly would have won it, but he certainly couldn't do worse than 0, but the race we have a view, right? We know how it ended, aren't we talking about something hypothetical?
It's clear that everything is done with hindsight, and it's not like they could have imagined that it would certainly go like this and on this I agree with Durim and you too.
However, given the evidence, I didn't expect that Honda would take the gamble, in fact when they were on the starting grid the ones who would have made the desperate choice of the Hard to keep up in my opinion should have been the Yamahas and instead it was the opposite, maybe I didn't understand anything, but I had seen Lorenzo's difficulty in testing, and Rossi's consistency, which however was not comparable to the results achieved by Marquez last season and this season.
Furthermore, I assumed it was obvious that if Bridgestone spent a lot in the last season to make a tire specifically for this GP, not much had been done to give a tougher choice to the MotoGPs and to keep the Open or the Factory Ducatis with Open regulations in the running, but that it was done to improve last season's performance.
However, I also denote a certain incorrectness on your part in reporting the facts, I'll give you my money's worth but continuing to compare other riders to Marc Marquez is at least useless, so much so that these are riders who have ridden that bike for the first year?
Maybe Marc was also influenced by their opinions and those of the team, but the article here speaks clearly. Bridgestone recommended the Extra-Hard to everyone and if it is the tire dealer who made the tire and the others, and wants to see you win with the official bike, I would ask myself a few questions...
According to the meaning of your speech, Marc's engine also caused him to fall... But what are you talking about?
Stop scrambling.
The zero or flattening (as you write) is not due to the rubber.
He didn't get zero points because the tire "flaked" or had abnormal wear.
Stop making these conversations that are nowhere to be found.
They race to win, not to score a few points (points, as you write, which would arrive if he didn't let himself get caught up in the heat).
All the HRC men declared that with the Extra Hard tire they were out of the game, no bullshit.
They couldn't use that rubber.
No, dear Ronnie, if all the HONDA riders declare a certain thing about the tires, the same fucking things, it means it's the truth, here you are the only one scrambling to defend your umpteenth theory.
I'll give you a small example:
All the Ducati riders (pre GP15) all complained of the same problems, without exception... But a certain Stoner won, or in any case fought for important positions.
Everyone, including him (certainly an absolute phenomenon) complained about the same problems, problems that the good Melandri also highlighted (who got tons of seconds).
Enough with this story of zero in the standings, you know very well that it didn't depend on that, but on Marc.
The right tire for Honda was and still is the Hard and not the Extra Hard. Everyone declared it the end.
I ask you again, do you know what it means for a tire to slip too much?
By dint of slipping and sliding, what happens?
bcs but you saw the tests, you looked at the times of the Warm Up, but how can you say that Marc was out of the games, the games for what? For victory?
Maybe he was out who knows, Rossi was fast but above all constant, Marc was fast, and also rather constant, from what I saw, I can't say that Marc was out of the game, but it's my opinion, because I have to change it because they say he's out of the picture. I saw how he drove and the times he set, they were there and Rossi was behind Marc in the tests with little nonsense, he was slower with the Extra Hard at least in the flying lap or in a few laps, then if they never brought an Extra Hard over a distance race how could they say they lost...
Look back at the race and how much Rossi and Lorenzo slipped at the start of the race... But then at the end of the race the others slipped more and in fact, it wasn't even a question of slipping anymore, it was a lack of support in the corners, with an overly worn tire that didn't it didn't even give you support when cornering...
It's clear that they could have finished the race, but think about it, did Rossi also finish the race in Austin or do you mean that tire wasn't heavily worn? But to finish it off you increase your times by half a second or a second per lap, come on you know these things very well too...
Marquez didn't win with the Hard, so ultimately with Rossi on the track he couldn't win... What has changed from last year to this year?
Rossi used the Extra-Hard Yamaha and improved in the race, but it goes worse in qualifying, perhaps they spend less time preparing for the race, perhaps they hide, Rossi has also improved further or has more feeling.
Marquez is always Marquez, he made the choices of last season but he hasn't improved as much as Rossi, and I would say that Rossi has improved a lot in the race compared to last season, 9.075 which are enormous, to say that this improvement is given only by bike and his state of form, and Marquez improved "only" by 2 or 3 seconds until the moment of the fall.
Marquez set the fastest lap of the race on the second lap. Rossi beat him on the twentieth lap with a time of 1'39.01, I don't know how they did this tire and how it interacted with the fact that the track got a lot of rubber during the race, but christ whatever they did worked as Rossi never did that lap on the Extra Hard all weekend.
PS one thing I noticed now... Rossi on Marquez at the end of the race was 2 or 3 tenths faster than Marquez even with the Hard, even with Marquez squeezing everything out of his Hard, so if they tell me that with the Extra Hard they were faster slow, well they were slow with the Hard too...
I've seen the evidence, don't worry.
Did I write that he was out of the picture?
I do not think so…
I wrote that with Extra Dura they were out of the game, this is because they declared it.
And that the only chance to win was to use the Hard, because on their bike the Extra Hard didn't work properly.
Don't start please, please Ronnie don't start.
You should be about a lot of things Ronnie.
We only have the times and we can only analyze those and sometimes they don't matter a damn if you don't know what work they are doing... How worn those tires are etc (like the ones used by Rossi during testing).
Chapter Austin, you wrote some obvious things that have little or nothing to do with it.
Rossi has improved in races compared to practice for 20 years, he is a "race animal".
The statements from the Honda garage have been reported to you, free to continue with your theory and the theory of 0 in the standings.
It's a shame that the HRC men don't agree with your theory and have declared certain things, but perhaps you, who only have the times in hand, know more than them.
This time Ronnie you screwed up…
Look, I'm also writing to you that without the declarations (excluding the 0 theory) I would agree with you 100% (as often happens, even if I don't write it), but it's them (all not 1 or 2) that give us certain things...
And usually afterwards if they made the wrong tyre, they always declared it, but this time it's not like that.
I may be wrong but it's my opinion, whatever they say in hindsight, as I said, I was very surprised when I saw them mount the Hard on the grid after what I saw in testing.
It didn't make sense to me, although I had seen that Rossi was already fast on Saturday on the pace, and that he continued to lap at those times, Marquez was faster, but in fact I have never seen them do a serious simulation and in my opinion also everything was born from there.
Marquez worked too hard for the flying lap and for the race, but without the real simulation, they didn't immediately choose a path like Rossi did but they wasted time trying one and the other and with Ayoama for sure they cannot compare the data.
Crutchlow and Redding certainly influenced Marc's final choice because they will also have been the ones who gave directions.
In my opinion, with hindsight, a lot depended on that and it's clear that they don't shoot themselves in the balls by saying that they got everything wrong.
Then deep down they may even be annoyed but you always have to give the impression of a nice happy family even when they get a big "t@t@" and make a terrible impression.
Rossi and the fact that he is a racing animal I have always justified with the fact that he and his team have always worked so hard for the race, and he often declared it, the race is Sunday, Saturday doesn't count that much on the flying lap, if he doesn't take pole it's usually because he still has a lot to sort out for the race.
He managed poles more easily when there was a qualifying tyre, and there were other regulations on engine limitations.
Only on tracks where he certainly won, maybe even easily, a bit like Marquez in Austin or other circuits where he was or is still a blank.
Here, in my opinion, Marquez worked too differently on both tires, ultimately choosing the solution they had already used last year.
Then they can say that the Extra Hard didn't work well for their bike, but they didn't try it with the conviction with which Yamaha did it with Rossi who bet on it straight away.
Rossi also had another advantage in the race arising from the fact that Iannone crossed him.
Rossi had to recover but in that way he was able to follow Espargarò first, then Lorenzo the Ducati and Crutchlow and he certainly learned something from everyone and finally from Marquez during the recovery, he further improved those constant laps by getting the bike's settings right.
As Iannone stated, they now change maps depending on the moments of the race as well as the intervention of the traction controls, they change various settings on the bike, from the moment of comeback, to fuel saving, to saving and tire management, in short they make it of all colors and certainly this thing has evolved a lot in recent years and perhaps here too Rossi had lost his way and now instead he and his team manage that thing better.
In any case, as I have already said many times, I don't believe in the pro forma statements, I try to look at reality from my point of view, and from what I think I would say or make people believe, maybe I'm wrong this time, but for me they have told some lie to avoid admitting a 360° strategic error. Because Honda's choice to focus on Hard was a one-way choice. It's not as if Rossi chooses one tire and Lorenzo the other and then we see who finishes in front and one of the two says ok I made a mistake or maybe with the other one we went better in those conditions, or they chose the others better.
They all took that path and told Marc you go away, and Crutchlow acts as your stopper, and maybe we promise him the official team if it finishes well at the end of the year and Pedorsa doesn't return... in short, what's underneath is a little more than a simple tire that doesn't work well, they made a strategic choice that the race didn't allow them to bring home and only they know how much they have now thoroughly analyzed the issue and what they would do in the future if something similar would recur.
And on this Ronnie I agree with you 1000%, except on the point of statements.
When they make a mistake on the tyre, they declare it openly without much fuss.
But this time there wasn't a tire error, all the Honda riders were very clear.
The right choice was the Hard and not the Extra Hard, and it was so even with hindsight.
It wasn't a one-way choice. Redding used the Extra Hard and stated that he made a mess using that tire. It slipped too much, and this causes the tire to heat up excessively and if a tire heats up too much you know what happens and I'm certainly not the one who has to write it to you, these are things you know very well.
Marc, like many, is a completely instinctive rider (given also by his young age, Rossi was like that too, even if he was never one for pole) and this also determines his speed on the flying lap.
He's someone who always drives at the limit, or rather at the limit when he has other riders around him, then luckily (after his first year) he calmed down and manages a lot more. This also demonstrates what kind of driver he is, an absolute phenomenon, who fell into the heat of the competition and made a mistake.
And frankly, these are the riders who exalt me (you know that my idols are Gilles and Kevin) and they are the ones who make one-of-a-kind feats possible.
And frankly I have much more respect for a driver who risks everything to win than an accountant (like Lorenzo for example or Lauda, or Prost).
Now the race is over and we all know what happened and the statements they made.
Digressing a bit…
Is everything okay in Switzerland?
How are the roads laid out?
(I intend to take a ride next week, with the Multistrada that my brother-in-law kindly lends me... I had the opportunity to try it yesterday and I have to write that I was pleasantly impressed by this bike, despite not being a fan of this genre).
The roads are ok, the open ones, because there are clearly still closed Alpine passes, then now it has rained after months of partial drought, but I don't think it snows at high altitude, in any case you have to check the passes because many are closed if you intend to do them.
For the rest the roads are ok, maybe they are a little clogged during rush hours especially in Sottoceneri :) it's not the roads that are the problem but those who use them haha although, being used to Italy it's quieter here anyway, watch out for the thousand thousand fixed radars...
Check the web pages:
On these you can clearly see which ones are closed and open graphically, but there are only those from the Canton of Grisons.
3w.meteomontagnavaltellina.it/passi_alpini_info_strade_grigioni.html
Here they are all there but you have to select them by initial groups, some are opening as early as May but I don't know when exactly, it always depends on the amount of snow which I don't think is very much now and the danger of avalanches and whether they should or not cut snow and ice to open roads:
3w.tcs.ch/it/auto-mobilita/infostrada/passi-svizzeri.php
Ronnie
Thank you very much, I guess I'll wait a month before doing the tour I have in mind.
Look, I love Switzerland, you have a fantastic view, very clean streets (at least, I don't live there, but when I come I always find everything clean), people who don't throw cigarette butts or various pieces of paper on the street.
Yes, you are very strict in respecting the limits, but frankly I think it's very right, on the road you need to go in a certain way (the most dangerous place ever, especially thanks to all the motorists who cut you off because they don't fuck you g#no).
Thanks again Ronnie, very kind.
Oh god there are waste papers and butts here too, maybe they clean more often, there are fewer people, but we are not the Japan where people go around with cigarette butt holders and there are no public bins so people are more used to take everything home.
It's disgusting here too from that point of view, there's a lot of rubbish on the streets here too, even if it's perhaps better than other places, but in my opinion it's linked to people, the more people you have, the more dirt you have because there's always a part of the population that is less sensitive to the issue and therefore by increasing the number you have more people who leave stuff around...
This is also something that strikes me (a bit like when you explained the challenges of testing to me).
It will be as you write, perhaps the places where I go (mostly touristy) take much more care of them. But when I understood those areas I was impressed by the cleanliness and not like the street rubbish that is here.
More than the number of people, it is the civic sense and respect for the place that in my opinion make the difference. And in Italy (I don't know about Switzerland because I actually live here in Italy) we are close to level 0.
It depends bcs also in Italy where there are fewer people, outside the cities there is more cleanliness, go to the countryside maybe the environment, the rivers or canals are polluted, but there isn't that much plastic around or so many butts on the street .
It depends on the regions, on the money that is there and on the people above all on the respect that the people have, and here too there isn't much of that, and it's not even about foreigners or residents or Swiss or whoever, it's a question of people and certainly as you said about civic sense and education, and awareness of what is happening.
However, industries and shops greatly increase the amount of dirt around, haha a couple of months ago I felt like I was in a modern wild west there was a strong wind and I saw a large piece of wrapping paper make a huge ball of 1 meter in diameter rolling down the road at 30-40km/h and certainly as long as there were only meadows around you you wouldn't see those things, there were no pieces of plastic in the hay, when you cut the grass at the edges of the road there were no you found butts, cigarette packs and so on.
Ever since they closed the passenger train carriages to prevent things from being thrown out of the windows, along the railway embankment you could no longer find bottles, packaging of any kind and so on, because they could no longer be thrown. Since they built a new warehouse nearby where there is a tire shop, now there and only there on the railway embankment you find everything, because while the customers wait they smoke, have a drink, eat something and everything is thrown there... in short, we are all human beings, it's not Italy or Switzerland, it's the people who populate it who don't have respect or don't have enough respect, there isn't enough awareness.
Since there are farmers nearby, you come to know what happens to the cow if it eats the plastic bag, and that it can even end up dry, but the people who throw stuff around everywhere don't ask themselves where that stuff will end up and where will it get entangled….
Ronnie
I live in Italy, and I certainly don't live in the city (actually, the first city I have is 3 hours away by car...) and there is much, much more dirt than in Switzerland, trust me.
But I have worked in several places and the road situation is more or less the same in all Italian places (except in places like Trenti, Valle d'Aosta etc.).
Do you see then that it is just a question of civic sense and education?
For me it's disgusting, most people no longer have respect for their place.
They should start punishing these people (like, do you throw cigarette butts on the ground? Well, that's a 1000 Euro fine).
Where I live (the municipality doesn't have much money) we have created a "committee" and every 2 months we organize ourselves, divide ourselves into 5 groups and clean banks, stream beds, ditches etc. With the result that the country after ours (which does none of this, everything left adrift) this winter has had a lot of problems due to poor cleaning, we have nothing (knock on wood to say the least).
When we do this operation we find everything.
Easy (like many) "look how disgusting" and then 1 they do absolutely nothing, they wait for others to do things, and 2 are the first to make a mess.
Yes, but I also don't think it's right that it's always the same old people who have to clean... here they've increased the fines and done some awareness raising, but then those who punish are still needed, it's something that needs to be taught from an early age like separate waste collection.
I remember at a concert in French Switzerland 2 years ago, there were some young people who were leaving empty beer cans lying around on the pavement in the center of the town and I would define it as a tidy historic centre, and the good thing is that there were rubbish bins too far away, an old lady got really pissed off and made him pick them up. But just how do you do it without constant control, human beings are said to be intelligent, I don't entirely agree hehe, I think we make very little use of this gift :)
I agree 100%.
More than anything they should teach people to respect the place where they live and not to pollute unnecessarily.
In Switzerland they were right to increase fines, they should do it here too.
The problem is that here (I don't know about Switzerland because I don't live there) for these things, the fines increase but at a written level and are not put into practice.
Look, here where I live and where I grew up (after moving for work reasons, only to return home 2/3 years ago when I decided not to go abroad anymore) there has always been cleanliness.
Except that until a few years ago it was the municipality that cleaned up, now (as in many places) the money is what it is and we organized ourselves (in agreement with the municipality, and in fact both the mayor and the council are part of the group ).
In Italy people expect others to do the work and behave in a certain way (I don't know about Switzerland). “Look how disgusting”, “We need to clean the river bed” etc etc…
All while throwing the cigarette butt on the street.
90% of people in Italy don't say "Let's clean up this rubbish" or "Let's go and clean the river bed because the Municipality doesn't have the resources to do it".
Rossi is undoubtedly in form, I would say at the level of when he won the world championships, normally he plays with Dovizioso, depending on the tracks and choices so far, once it's good for him, once it's good for Dovi but more or less we are there,
Marquez, except in exceptional cases, is embarrassing because he is superior to everyone else in driving, it seems to me that to beat him one still has to hope in a good way for a mistake on his part, I hope that this is not the case but…………
Dovizioso levels red? hahaha Dovizioso has a bike as good as Rossi's... maybe even better if we consider that Iannone is also strong with that Ducati...
Rossi and Dovizioso…80 races won in Moto GP against 1 race won by Dovizioso. They are definitely riders of the same weight ;) keep believing it... maybe compare it to stoner, maybe you'll find more similarities ;)
Durim is too early to judge whether Rossi has returned to his best levels, Marquez is a little more subdued as far as THE RACE is concerned, he and his team, Rossi has improved as has Ducati.
Lorenzo is subdued and Pedrosa isn't even there.
In short, Rossi has been the strongest for now, and he and the bike are stronger than last year, as is Dovizioso and the Ducati. Here Ducati was not favored and in fact was doing what Rossi did in Austin, namely Third.
Like it or not in these first 3 races Dovizioso and Ducati are on par with Rossi and Yamaha, or almost let's say, Qatar made the difference, so it is more than likely that Rossi and Yamaha still have an advantage, and I also think that Rossi has an advantage over Dovizioso, this does not mean that before the start of the world championship I for one did not expect either the Ducati or Dovizioso to be in such good shape, the ones who are disappointing are Lorenzo and clearly Pedrosa who has physical problems .
Rossi can compete for the world championship and if he wins it, it will clearly be because he will be the best this season, especially in the race, and in the preparation for the race, even if Marquez is in a bit of a crisis, I don't see how this Lorenzo, for example, can worry him. Rossi has Lorenzo who is on the track and they have a tactical advantage in free practice because they have more data available and in my opinion they are forced to collaborate as has been the case for 1 or 2 years now, and as was imposed on them by Yamaha. Marquez and Pedrosa also had to cooperate, and now that Pedrosa is missing Marquez is in more difficulty as happened last season, when Dani complained about Marc saying that there was too much data communication and in fact that was precisely the race in which Pedrosa won…
In short, now it seems that Marc is forced to make it on his own, but the time is ripe, it's his third season, I believe that after a period of adjustment, perhaps he will struggle more in some circuits but as we have seen where he dominated without crazy variables, that remains to beat. In short, Rossi is strong, but I would be cautious, I don't think he is comparable to the better Rossi when he dominated when he was very young. Now Marquez has that role, only he is less infallible because he is now forced to do it alone. At the first GP he made a mistake, but at the second we saw that he knows how to do it on his own, at the third he made a big mistake, we'll see how much he will work on himself and how long it takes him to go beyond his 100% in the race, but if he succeeds then the world championship is dead again, so we have to hope that Rossi grows a little more and Marquez is still a little in trouble or wandering in other GPs...
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@durim if we look at this year Rossi finished ahead of Dovi twice and Dovi ahead of Rossi once! so rightly tony they took turns! I'm at the same level this year then after Jerez Ducati will do some tests at Mugello! if they get another couple of red tenths he won't come in front of him even once again
Of course... Dovi finished ahead of Marquez twice, so is DOVI much stronger than Marc Marquez?
Or let's take Lorenzo,..Dovizioso finished in all 3 races ahead of Lorenzo. So is Dovizioso immensely stronger than Lorenzo? Do you think it really is? But let's stop...
Dovi still has to prove that he is a top rider at the level of the top 4, if he is there it is thanks also to the bike... this is his best season ever and in the past he has ridden Honda HRC and Yamaha Tech 3 demonstrating little or nothing . Has he really become that good in the last year or is the bike really strong?
Dovizioso was the third rider in Honda, his bike was used to experiment and make the first two go fast, in Tech 3 it didn't go as badly as you think, with a satellite team he was often on the podium and often in front of Cal ,tech 3 disappeared from the podium after Dovizioso's departure….
if we look at the undeniable sporting palmares that dovizioso does not have the same as vale, lorenzo or even pedrosa but in racing what counts is not the past but what you do today and today dovizioso has the opportunity to work on equal terms with those he had more in the past, he has a team that works for him and a calm situation, so he can demonstrate real value, today he is a rider who has his say and who competes with valentino, iannone and is always behind he and Iannone are not the last to arrive, at some tests at Mugello when Vale raced on Ducatis he also put Valentinono behind...
all those who today you call big had the right conditions to be big without those conditions even valentino proved nothing and it took him two years of yamaha to come back, if valentino couldn't have become a chicken and then suddenly become good again then the same goes for Dovizioso, if he never had the right conditions he was also never able to express his value and today that he has the conditions he is demonstrating them and will continue to grow as happened to Vale after his return to Yamaha... .
whether you like it or not and so and the facts prove it...
Conditions?? Maybe...but Rossi has been winning since 96...today we are in 2015...I don't deny the fact that Rossi has always had competitive bikes, but he has earned respect by demonstrating his value already in 125 and 250. Because Honda taken immediately in 500? because he had already shown that he was a champion.
Same goes for Marc...he went to Honda HRC straight away in his first year...why? because he had already proven himself to be a champion. Same goes for Lorenzo, Pedrosa and all the others.
YOU CREATE THE CONDITIONS FOR YOURSELF...LUCK IS NOT THE MATTER. If Dovizioso has never had "the conditions" it is only because he has never shown that he deserves them;)
It's not that the bike is stronger than the others! it was simply built on his needs!! wait until the end of the year and we'll see if lamentino or dovi wins!! at this moment however he is certainly stronger than Lorenzo!! Marquez is making too many mistakes this year! but he remains the strongest of all!
if..if..if, maybe but if.. Until the end of the season, until Dovizioso has demonstrated, do not compare Valentino Rossi, the greatest of all time, with Dovizioso. Until the end of the season, don't make certain comparisons. They're embarrassing :)
At the end of the season, if Dovi stays ahead, you will be able to start making comparisons, just to... because little would change. A good season doesn't improve the other 10 subpar ones, and a bad season for Rossi doesn't ruin the other 9 world championships.
Dovizioso made his debut in the world championship with Pedrosa, Lorenzo and Stoner.. all of these have already won 50+ races in Moto GP.. Dovizioso has won 1... when Dovi does better than these 3, you will be able to start comparing him to the greatest of all times. Dovizioso will have to win a couple of world championships just to be able to be compared to Rossi ;)
I would add on a bike that is inferior if it used the same regulation. Ducati does better on some tracks due to the advantages it enjoys on others, it returns to planet earth like this one and you can see that it pays something at the end of the race. Let's say that on this Ducati for the first time in years other riders would also achieve excellent results, however in my opinion what Ale says is true, this bike is the first developed for Dovizioso and this also certainly highlights his abilities even if I don't think so are neither at the level of those of Rossi or Marquez this year for now.
Lorenzo seems subdued and Pedrosa is out, difficult to evaluate, this year Dovizioso is certainly stronger than them, to his credit and to their demerit. From here to say that he is at the level of Rossi or Marquez, I would still be cautious, Dovizioso was the 5 best rider in the world championship and he has been like this for years, in terms of consistency and top results. I'm not sure that in the last 2 years he has suddenly become the third or even the second best driver in this world championship thanks to himself, or to the demerit of his opponents.
Let's remember the advantages that Ducati enjoys on certain circuits and the first 2 are in favor of Ducati, here they were at least tied, and Dovizioso had a great race as long as he held out, but he was unable to follow Marquez at the start of the race or to follow Rossi all the way, so either he or the bike is missing something and certainly the bike isn't perfect, but I think he's missing something too.
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But did you skip the "synthesis skills" lesson in elementary school? When you manage to express those 3 concepts that you have in your head in a concise way, maybe I'll read to you too!
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I'm not talking about the past but based on these first 3 races Dovizioso surprised me! then nothing to take away from valentino if he has won 9 world championships he certainly knows how to drive and he knows how to evade taxes very well! Ducati's real advantage will come out after mid-season, namely the 7 more engines and the possibility of testing! for now 2 liters of petrol doesn't change anything!! and let's remember that in the event of a rainy race, where is the one to beat
BUT just redo your profile..aleapoca..he reminds me a lot of alecx...or fatman or etc.
Rossi is a tax evader...a bad guy, a terrible person, false, hypocritical, etc.
BUT who cares? I don't go out on a Saturday night, he may be the worst person in the world, but he is the best driver ever, of all time :)
Nice to see how Durim changes the rules of the discussion according to what suits him, if Dovizioso is ahead of Valentino and thanks to the best bike but if Valentino the others won the world championships or individual races it wasn't the merit of having their bottom on the best bike ….interesting this case -)
SKARTO You have made dementia an exact science.. When has Rossi ever ridden a motorbike with an advantage under the regulations..?? He won with first-rate material, like EVERYONE, but never with ad hoc regulations... Dovi is good but even when he was in the official HRC team and was momentarily first driver because Pedro had broken down he never achieved more than seconds places, he never had the winning streak. I wish him to have it now but he still has to prove everything, 3 well finished races are not enough (always in second place anyway)…
now the garbage has started writing to the PC... it goes back to the dumpster
I only have this profile, I'm sorry if you think wrong!! I never said he was a bastard!! xo won some championships against no one!! Now that there are so many strong ones, he's starting to struggle to stay in front! however he certainly had a great past as a protagonist! but now he doesn't have an easy life anymore!! going from first to sixth in this world championship is a moment!! for Valentino fans it's always the bike's fault if he loses and if the others win it's thanks to the bike!! but this is all normal!